

| Subject: | unclas gas prices.. and what they'll be this summer |
| From: | Thomas, Geoffrey |
| Date: | Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:58:01 -0500 |
Or this. Depends what your feed stocks are. Lots of coal out there. From the New Zealand Press Association Feb04 ASSOCIATE ENERGY MINISTER LAUNCHES 'HYDROGEN TO ELECTRICITY' PROJECT Associate Energy Minister, Harry Duynhoven, will today launch the first step in a multi-million New Zealand research project designed to produce hydrogen from coal for electricity generation, via fuel cells. The Minister will feed the first coal into a pilot gasifer which generates hydrogen gas for use in an alkaline fuel cell for electricity production. Hydrogen can be produced from water (using electricity) and from coal or natural gas. With more than 10 billion tonnes of coal reserves, the equivalent of 50 original Maui gasfields and almost all ideal for hydrogen production, New Zealand is positioned to be a leader in the development of the hydrogen energy economy. The research project commenced in June 2002 with a $6 million Government investment through the Foundation for Research, Science and Technology (FRST) to CRL Energy Ltd, which has expertise in coal gasification and gas clean-up, and Industrial Research Ltd, with expertise in gas clean-up and fuel cells. Unitec and the University of Canterbury""'s Department of Chemical and Process Engineering are sub-contractors to the programme. Coal producer, Solid Energy New Zealand is providing additional support. Solid Energy and the Coal Association of New Zealand have also initiated and invested in related areas of advanced technological and environmental issues. These include developing a hydrogen roadmap for the coal industry and technologies and options for managing the CO2 by-product of hydrogen production from coal. Geoff Thomas From: David Brodbeck [mailto:gull@GULL.US] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:30 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: [VANAGON] gas prices.. and what they'll be this summer On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Tom Miller wrote: > Hydrogen technology is the only practical way to get the crude oil whores > off our backs. It sounds great until you realize the only viable way to get large amounts of hydrogen is to extract it from natural gas or petroleum. At that point you realize hydrogen puts us back where we started, except with a lower overall efficiency. David Brodbeck, N8SRE '82 Volkswagen Diesel Westfalia '86 Volvo 240DL wagon
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