In a message dated 26/02/2004 7:18:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM writes:

Even  with me sitting in the van, emergency brakes on, my foot on the brakes
and  the van in gear the 360 ft pounds he applies makes the rear wheel spin
on  the loose gravel in his driveway.
It even spins in the building on his  dusty floor.

Absolutly right !  BUT, if you put a  wooden chock under the wheel it will
not slip.  BTDT.
Cheers,

Frank  Condelli
Almonte, Ontario, Canada
_BusFusion_ (http://members.aol.com/BusFusion/bfhome.htm)  a VW Camper
camping event, Almonte, ON, June 10 ~ 13, 2004
'87 Westy & Lionel  Trains
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Vanagon/Vanagon Westfalia Service in  the Ottawa Valley
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