why can't you just pay a fee and eat all you want while shopping? this way you
go home full.. hehe

-----Original Message-----
From: Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Mar 26, 2004 1:24 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: recycled german parts / e-e-e-eBay <f>

I have no respect for people who steal Brach's Candy off a display. If
you're gonna steal candy, at least steal good candy.

tim in san jose

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: recycled german parts / e-e-e-eBay

> I've been in one business or another since 1960.
> While in the Speed Equipment / Muffler / Brakes there were several
robberies
> that just drove through the wall to rob the place.
> In later years it was normally an employee inside job that just left the
> place unlocked.
> At any rate I just get put off by people that steal, even if it's just a
> piece of Brach's candy from the display at the grocery.
> I'm seeing fewer business ethics and personal morality / honesty every
day.
> It'll be getting worse before it gets better.
> Somebody picked up my weed eater and leaf blower recently while I went
into
> the house to catch the phone. Ha! Ha! I got to wear them out first on this
> go round.
>
> Stan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Schwaia [mailto:jeff@vanagonparts.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:24 PM
> To: Stan Wilder; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: RE: recycled german parts / e-e-e-eBay
>
>
> Ah... it sounded worse than that in your earlier post, I thought you got
> raked over the coals.  Definitely no need to involve a lawyer if your just
> out the little stuff.
>
> That's one good thing about car auctions... pretty hard to falsify the VIN
#
> in the parking lot.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
> Of Stan Wilder
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:13 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: recycled german parts / e-e-e-eBay
>
>
> Jeff; $500.00 and a big stupid grin will get you an attorney.
> Cost of recovery was lots more than the price of the education or the
> equipment.
> I got to keep all the big expensive stuff because it  required a lift
truck
> to steal so I just let petty thieves be petty and they can work it out
with
> St Peter as best they might.
>
> Stan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Schwaia [mailto:jeff@vanagonparts.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:09 PM
> To: Stan Wilder; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: RE: recycled german parts / e-e-e-eBay
>
>
> Stan,
>
> Did you check with a lawyer?  An agreement that contradicts the law cannot
> be enforced.  The auction company is required to exercise "reasonable"
care
> when in possession of your goods.  It sounds like they didn't meet that
> requirement.
>
> I learned this little fact many years ago.  Have you ever read the block
of
> bulls**t at the bottom of an automotive repair invoice?  Most of them say
> basically the same thing:  "We are not responsible for damage or theft,
etc,
> etc...".  Wrong!  When a customer leaves their car (or any other item) to
be
> repaired a legal relationship called a bailment has been created.  The
> receiver must exercise "reasonable care" to protect the property.  If the
> shop is full and you leave a customer's car outside and the radio gets
> stolen, have you exercised reasonable care... NO!  The shop is responsible
> for the theft and any damage.
>
> I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like you and the auction company entered
> into a bailment when you purchased the items.  They were required by law
to
> exercise reasonable care in protecting your property.  Remember, a signed
> agreement is not enforceable if it contradicts the law.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
> Of Stan Wilder
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:35 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: recycled german parts / e-e-e-eBay
>
>
> Don't get me started on Auctions ........
> The last auction I went to I bought several thousand dollars worth of
> industrial equipment.
> When I returned the next day with my 55 foot trailer behind a Diesel truck
> to load up someone had switched the auction tags on about four pieces of
> equipment and left old "Krap Equipment" sitting there with my tag number
on
> it.
> When I ranted at the Auction Company they just read their agreement to me.
> The agreement said basically "We Sell It" the rest isn't any of our
business
> so don't ask a second time.
> I'll never go to another auction where I can't load immediately after the
> auction.
> So you see guys the crooks on E bay learned their trade elsewhere.
>
> AStan Wilder
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
> Of Rob
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:00 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: recycled german parts / e-e-e-eBay
>
>
> At  3/26/2004 09:14 AM, you wrote:
>
> >About a month ago.  I bought a Do-All vertical bandsaw which was
> represented
> >as complete and in good condition.  Although it wasn't under power when I
> >entered the highest bid, the auctioneer had no objections to me tagging
it
> >into a
> >box in order to run it through its paces before I loaded it.  I can
assure
> you
> >that the auctioneer would have made it right if it had proven to be
> anything
> >other than in good condition.
>
> I've been to auctions where the auctioneer has guaranteed something to
> work, that particular item, usually accompanied with "we plugged it in
> yesterday & it worked". All the rest it's "as is".
> At the auto auctions I go to they drive or push the car down to the ring
> and have an inspection day the day before. But once you buy it it's yours
> no matter what the condition.
>
> I've always felt that e-bay was a "once you buy it it's yours no matter
> what the condition" kinda place with the feedbacks so you can find an
> outright crook.
>
> No guarantees in life.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
> rob_b9@lycos.com
> Now in western Washington, USA
>