

| Subject: | Re: Diesels on NPR this morning |
| From: | Steven Dodson |
| Date: | Wed, 12 May 2004 10:51:11 -0700 |
If you read up on refining biodiesel, you'll find that the byproduct is simply a biodegradable vegetable glycerin. This glycerin can be composted and may serve as a fertilizer for the plants grown to produce the next batch of fuel. The glycerin can also be used to make soaps. As far as power plants burning biological material, "biological material" or "renewable fuels" can mean anything. Raw vegetable oil is not very clean when burned, contrary to the "greasels" out there. Same with burning straight crude vs refined petroleum. Once the vegetable oil is transesterified (refined), it is very clean burning and the byproduct is inert. You won't get much better than that until we're electrolyzing hydrogen from water using solar power. It's pretty expensive to run an economy on subsidized agriculture. Biodiesel is a good start and much better than the Bush plan to make hydrogen from petroleum. My goal is to not have any gas consuming vehicles by this time next year. -Steven Dodson Kneeland, CA "Inga" the 87 Syncro -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:52:53 -0400 From: Joy Hecht <jhecht@ALUM.MIT.EDU> Subject: Re: Diesels on NPR this morning There is a question, though, about what kind of biological material is used to make the fuel. I don't know how auto fuel is made, but with power plants that burn biological material, it's not clear that they are that much better than petroleum. They put out GHG emissions, and if the fuel isn't grown organically, its cultivation generates a lot of water pollution from ag runoff. Is the biological matter used to make biodiesel the waste from some other ag process or grown specifically for fuel? In the former case, what is now done with that waste. If it's excess nutrients that we've found a new use for, great. But if it was returned to the soil to enrich it for future agriculture, then we'll have to replace it. If it was grown just for making fuel, then how? Growing biofuels organically is pretty expensive. All of which isn't to say that they aren't a good idea, just that they may not be financially viable, and they also may not be environmentally preferable to the alternatives. Joy
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