

| Subject: | Re: Diesels on NPR this morning |
| From: | tmiller |
| Date: | Wed, 12 May 2004 19:35:48 -0400 |
check out these sites. www.uidaho.edu/bae/biodiesel/ www.dancingrabbit.org/biodiesel/ www.biodieselnow.com/ There are many others. Jonathan Farrugia wrote: >i've done a bit of research on this topic recently. i have as of yet >after pages and pages of reading not been able to find a reference that >says that burning "cooking oil" has really bad emissions. i have found a fair >amount of material that supports the claim that burning "raw plant oil" is >not clean and is detrimental to equipment. from what i have read "raw >plant oil" is considered to be the oil that comes directly from the first >pressing process. cooking oil is refined past that in most parts of the >world. if anyone has information in reguards to this i would be very >interested to know about it. > >jonathan > >On Wed, 12 May 2004, Steven Dodson wrote: > > > >>If you read up on refining biodiesel, you'll find that the byproduct is >>simply a biodegradable vegetable glycerin. >>This glycerin can be composted and may serve as a fertilizer for the plants >>grown to produce the next batch of fuel. The glycerin can also be used to >>make soaps. As far as power plants burning biological material, "biological >>material" or "renewable fuels" can mean anything. Raw vegetable oil is not >>very clean when burned, contrary to the "greasels" out there. Same with >>burning straight crude vs refined petroleum. Once the vegetable oil is >>transesterified (refined), it is very clean burning and the byproduct is >>inert. You won't get much better than that until we're electrolyzing >>hydrogen from water using solar power. It's pretty expensive to run an >>economy on subsidized agriculture. Biodiesel is a good start and much better >>than the Bush plan to make hydrogen from petroleum. My goal is to not have >>any gas consuming vehicles by this time next year. >> >>-Steven Dodson >>Kneeland, CA >>"Inga" the 87 Syncro >> >>-----Original Message----- >>Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:52:53 -0400 >>From: Joy Hecht <jhecht@ALUM.MIT.EDU> >>Subject: Re: Diesels on NPR this morning >> >>There is a question, though, about what kind of biological material is used >>to make the fuel. I don't know how auto fuel is made, but with power plants >>that burn biological material, it's not clear that they are that much better >>than petroleum. They put out GHG emissions, and if the fuel isn't grown >>organically, its cultivation generates a lot of water pollution from ag >>runoff. Is the biological matter used to make biodiesel the waste from some >>other ag process or grown specifically for fuel? In the former case, what >>is now done with that waste. If it's excess nutrients that we've found a >>new use for, great. But if it was returned to the soil to enrich it for >>future agriculture, then we'll have to replace it. If it was grown just for >>making fuel, then how? Growing biofuels organically is pretty expensive. >> >>All of which isn't to say that they aren't a good idea, just that they may >>not be financially viable, and they also may not be environmentally >>preferable to the alternatives. >> >>Joy >> >> >> > > > >
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