

| Subject: | Re: A/C charging and maintenance... |
| From: | Stan Wilder |
| Date: | Sun, 30 May 2004 20:12:31 -0500 |
High side is normally the smallwer of the two lines. Low / Suction side is the larger line. Stan Wilder ----- Original Message ----- From: "John N. Motlagh" <JNMOTLAG@SPRINTPCS.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: A/C charging and maintenance... > I am about ready to give this a try, however, I am having trouble > identifying the low side of the compressor. Even the Bentley picture does > not look like my compressor. In addition, the service ports have the same > threads. So, standing in the back of the van, looking forward there are two > lines. One in the center of the compressor, running to the driver side, the > other line is off-center towards the passenger side. Which is the low side? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > Stan Wilder > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:42 AM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: A/C charging and maintenance... > > Author/source: Dave Stragand www.projectvixen.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > This is a fairly complete checklist for the conversion based on > Sanden/Sankyo's own instructions, material gathered from the web, and the > wisdom of those DMCNews owners who have already completed this procedure. > > 1) If the R-12 vehicle air conditioning system is operational, run it at > idle with the A/C blower on high speed for five (5) minutes to optimize the > amount of oil in the compressor. > > 2) Recover all R-12 refrigerant from the vehicle's A/C system. Evacuate the > A/C system for at least thirty (30) minutes to a vacuum of 29 in. Hg, using > R-12 equipment, to remove as much R-12 as possible from the residual mineral > oil. Don't just dump the old R12 into the air. If you really don't want > it, at least let a service station vacuum it out. They will generally take > it very happily, as it is quite expensive, and you won't be polluting. > > 3) Remove the compressor from the vehicle, noting the placement of all shims > and washers, and the routing of hoses and wires. > > 4) Remove the compressor oil plug and then drain as much mineral oil as > possible from the compressor body. > > 5) Drain mineral oil from the cylinder head suction and discharge ports > while turning the shaft with a socket wrench on the clutch armature > retaining nut. > > 6) Remove the existing R-12 receiver-drier or accumulator-drier from the > vehicle and discard. Allow as much oil as possible to drain from the A/C > hoses. Blowing them out with an air gun on moderate pressure is okay. > Back-flushing the lines is recommended. Plain old mineral spirits swished > around in the compressor and backflushed through the lines will remove > contaminants and old mineral oil. Make DARN, DARN sure that you get ALL of > it out of the system, and I do mean ALL of it. Mineral spirits can be > explosive, but a great many a/c shops still use this technique to great > effect. I would recommend drying everything out with clean dry air from a > compressor for quite a while (hey, air is free, right?) Commercial a/c > flushing chemicals are also available which will do the same while being > safer, but they can be pricey. > > 6) Replace any O-rings on the receiver-drier or accumulator-drier joints; > check and replace other O-rings that have been disturbed. You really should > replace them with the new green ones -- they work very well for both R12 and > R134a. If you are converting to R134, new reports suggest that you do -not- > need to change all of the O-rings to different materials as thought earlier. > However, I would recommend changing anywhere you have disconnected a joint, > just to help seal better. They're cheap anyway, and cheaper than having to > do it again because of a leaky seal. > > 7) Replace the accumulator-drier with a new R134a compatible unit which > contains XH7 or XH9 desiccant. Make sure that you get one with "XH7" or > "XH9" dessicant, not "XH5" -- there should be a sticker on it stating as > such. XH7/9 works just fine with R12 and is necessary with R134's Ester or > PAG oils. As a cross-reference, a 1986 Corvette accumulator-drier is > perfect. Factory Air brand part number 33191 dryer is ideal, and runs about > $55 at AutoZone. > > 8) While you have the accumulator-drier removed, now is a good time to > replace the orifice tube. Always replace it 'just because'. The type used > on the DMC is just a standard "white" GM orifice tube used for many years on > many GM models, and the cost is less than $2. (Any parts counter person > should know what you mean when you ask for one). There are some newer > variable orifice tubes claiming to work better with R134a, but I have not > read very much about them, and I'm a little wary of their claims. > > 9) Perform any necessary repairs to the compressor or A/C system. > > 10) Using the original refrigerant oil quantity specification, add [INSERT > QUANTITY HERE] ounces of Ester oil to the compressor. Ester oil is > preferable to PAG in a retrofit, as it will mix fairly well with any > remaining mineral oil. It was originally thought this was not the case, but > consensus nowadays is that they mix satisfactorily. Ester is also less > corrosive than PAG. As an additional benefit, R-12 will also work with > Ester should you ever wish to convert back. If you follow these guidlines, > all you would need to do to revert to R-12 is completely vacuum all R134 out > of the system and then simply reinstall R-12. > > 11) Replace the compressor oil plug O-ring with an new O-ring. > > 12) Reinstall the compressor oil plug. The plug seat and O-ring must be > clean and free of damage. Torque the plug to 11-18 ft lb (15-25 N m, 150-250 > kgf cm). > > 13) Change any seals at the compressor ports to new seals. > > 14) Reinstall the compressor to the A/C system, paying close attention to > the placement of shims and washers from step #3. > > 15) Disable the R-12 service fittings to prevent any refrigerant other than > R134a from being used. You do this by permanently installing R134a > quick-connect service fittings to the A/C system. > > 16) Vacuum the system for AT LEAST forty-five (45) minutes to a vacuum of 29 > in. Hg once the lines are cleaned, the new drier installed, the correct > amount of Ester has been poured in the compressor body, and the whole system > is ready to go. Harbor Freight makes a cheapy high-vac pump for $15. You can > hook this up to a spare R134 can adapter hose ($5) to make the correct > fitting for attaching to the car. And yes, you MUST evacuate the lines. This > is the most common mistake people have in retrofitting. If you don't get > that vacuum down in the system, there is no way the air is going to blow > very cold. > > 17) Charge the A/C system with R134a. Generally, about 5% (by weight) less > than the R-12 charge amount is required. That means just a little over 2 > pounds for a DMC. > > 18) Check the A/C system operating parameters. The system should function > correctly within acceptable limits of temperatures and pressures -- this > will ensure that the correct amount of R134a has been charged. I purchased > at a small R134 gauge at Pep Boys for less than $5. It looks much like a > tire pressure gauge. It tells you the system pressure in terms of > low/good/high/danger. Likewise, they have a small & cheap "meat" thermometer > that will tell you vent temps inside the car. > > 19) Replace all R-12 compressor labels with retrofit labels per SAE J1660 in > order to provide information on the R134a retrofit which has been performed. > In other words, you really should put a sticker on there that says it's > R134a. The recommended places are on the compressor and the accumulator. > > Additional notes: > > - In extreme circumstances when expected cooling performance cannot be > achieved and high discharge pressures are experienced, it may be necessary > to add more condensing capacity to the A/C system. I believe PJ Grady sells > a larger capacity condenser for our cars. > > - Sanden has the service manual up for our compressors online at > http://www.sanden.com/support/servicemanual/index.html > > -Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "zolo" <zolo@FOXINTERNET.NET> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:42 AM > Subject: A/C charging and maintenance... > > > I would like to ask the Honorable List for extensive advice on the subject > of the A/C maintenance and charging. I would like to do it myself instead > of going to a shop every time I need a system serviced or change a pump or > change over to a different gas, etc. I would feel better if I knew all that > I have to know about our vans' A/C system. > I would like to read about the principles and whatever it takes to aquire > the knowledge. So, please enlighten me. > Zoltan
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