On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, David Brodbeck wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Aristotle Sagan wrote:
>
> > Nope, no way. The kids like the 84 van but ya know, no shoulder belts, no
> > rides. As soon as the kids were out of baby seats, the van became a extra.
>
> It's amazing how times change.
>
> When I was a kid, *none* of the vehicles I rode in ever had rear safety
> belts.

Gah.  I meant "rear shoulder belts", of course.  They all had rear safety
belts.