I thank all those who weighed in on the grey water thing. Glad to know I
am not doing anything illegal by using a bucket in my camping endeavors
:-)

I love to talk about the bears and the camping, but I also think enough is
enough.

As usual, Westys present a unique perspective, as they are really tents
when sitting with the top up, so rules of tent camping have to apply. In
most bear places, put down the top and store your food inside and all will
be well. There are campgrounds in Glacier, Yellowstone, and GTNP where I
assume a Westy would not be allowed to camp, if the top is popped up,
although I have never taken the time to ask, or look around. Probably be a
nightmare trying to explain it all to one of those AARP-customer service
folks who run the campgrounds :-)

FWIW, yes, CA seems to be out of control, and needs to take some serious
action to control the bears. Just another reason I have no plans to ever
go there again. Yellowstone and Teton used to have a bear problem bit like
that as well, although there is more space there to work with bears and
other animals, so good luck to them. Took a major commitment and mucho
bucks and effort to get it under control tho. Don't know if Yosemite-ites
have the stomach for such a thing. I have never had a hankering to see
Yosemite either. Its been a nightmare ever since I can remember. :-)

I am sorry there is so much anger and hatred between people who have such
differing agendas. Makes it impossible to get anything done. I understand
Doug's position, and in my heart, I agree with much of it, but there has
to be a better way to express it.

A wise man once said "government is not the solution, government is the
problem" and in nearly every instance I can think of, government screwed
up just about everything they get involved in. Can't think of a way to
spin that thought into a vanagon comment tho, so I guess its time to move
along, as we won't solve that problem here, (or anywhere else for that
matter <g>)

Mark