Craig,

I'll agree my comment was judgmental.  But there's a difference between
helping people identify and fix an emissions problem and helping people
cheat on their emissions test.  I'm all for the former, which I thought was
what the list was about.  I'm not for the latter.  Polluting isn't a
victimless crime, and I'm sorry to be on a list used to facilitate it.

Joy

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Joy Hecht
and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon

For musings about life and the vanadventures:
http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy

****************************************************************:::-----Orig
inal Message-----
:::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
:::Of Craig Oda
:::Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:33 AM
:::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
:::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
:::
:::Joy, sorry, but this comment seems too judgemental.  It might make
:::people reluctant to share information.  I think that people should
:::share information on factors that affect emissions testing and let the
:::individuals decide whether to try tricks to pass emissions testing.
:::
:::There may be people on the list that don't care about the environment.
::: There may be people that care deeply about the health of the planet.
:::There may be gross polluters and there may be people that lust for low
:::emissions vehicles.    There may be people that share the same views
:::as you on religion, politics, and the environment.  However, there are
:::people that have different views too.
:::
:::I'm not here to discuss religion, politics, the olympics, or the
:::environment.  Let's keep the topic to the vans.
:::
:::On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:25:39 -0400, Joy Hecht <jhecht@alum.mit.edu>
:::wrote:
:::> Hi all,
:::>
:::> I know it's nice to pass your emissions test without any expense, but
:::you
:::> know, those emissions tests are there for a reason, and it's not simply
:::to
:::> hassle us.  NOX emissions are harmful to all of us, and to the natural
:::> environment of which we are one small part - those controls are there
:::to
:::> protect people and animals and plants, not to make the government feel
:::> powerful.
:::>
:::> I think we all enjoy the opportunity that our vans give us to travel
:::and
:::> experience the environment. Is it really acceptable to cheat on your
:::> emissions tests to save yourself a couple of hundred bucks, but pass on
:::the
:::> harm you cause to the environment to hurt other people?
:::>
:::> I'd be disappointed if most of the people in this community felt it
:::was.
:::>
:::> Joy
:::>
:::> ****************************************************************
:::> Joy Hecht
:::> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
:::>
:::> For musings about life and the vanadventures:
:::> http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy
:::>
:::> ****************************************************************:::----
:::-Orig
:::> inal Message-----
:::> :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
:::Behalf
:::> :::Of Bob Stevens
:::> :::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:30 PM
:::> :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
:::> :::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
:::> :::
:::> :::Both W-boxer and TIICO emissions experience: I have failed emissions
:::in
:::>
:::>
:::> :::this
:::> :::area in the past with both motors, went home and retarded the
:::advance to
:::> :::about "0", took it back and passed with flying colors. Back home and
:::> :::advance
:::> :::the timing to where it is recommended (5-6 w-boxer, 10-12 TIICO) and
:::> :::done.
:::> :::
:::> :::Bob Stevens
:::> :::
:::> :::http://groups.msn.com/BobsPhotoShare
:::> :::http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiico
:::> :::
:::> ::::::-----Original Message-----
:::> ::::::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
:::> :::Behalf
:::> ::::::Of Melvin Mudgett-Price
:::> ::::::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:11 AM
:::> ::::::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
:::> ::::::Subject: Failed Emissions Check
:::> ::::::
:::> ::::::Took my van for its Ohio e-Check yesterday. The engine has 20,000
:::on a
:::> ::::::rebuilt Boston Bob. It passed with flying colors 2 years ago.
:::This
:::> :::time
:::> ::::::it failed on Nitrous Oxide emissions, they are supposed to be
:::around
:::> ::::::900, mine were 1,900.
:::> ::::::
:::> ::::::I called my regular mechanic (VW specialist) and he said there
:::was
:::> ::::::nothing he could do, when van's start failing their emissions
:::test
:::> ::::::that's usually the end for them. This sounds like total bs to me
:::and I
:::> ::::::don't know why he doesn't seem to want to even look at the van.
:::Called
:::> ::::::another VW shop and they said no problem, bring it in.
:::> ::::::
:::> ::::::Now to my question. What sort of things would cause the "NO" to
:::be
:::> :::high.
:::> ::::::I would like have some idea not because the mechanic will try
:::> :::bamboozle
:::> ::::::me but because I don't like to be in the position where he could.
:::> ::::::
:::> ::::::Thanks
:::> ::::::Melvin
:::> ::::::83.5 Westy
:::>