We all have to respect Joy and her opinions as she is a professional
environmentalist and as such has no choice but to take the hard line.

Myself on the other hand love my Vanagons so much that I'll cheat a little
to assure they continue to make it down the road for a few more years.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joy Hecht" <jhecht@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check

> Craig,
>
> I'll agree my comment was judgmental.  But there's a difference between
> helping people identify and fix an emissions problem and helping people
> cheat on their emissions test.  I'm all for the former, which I thought
> was
> what the list was about.  I'm not for the latter.  Polluting isn't a
> victimless crime, and I'm sorry to be on a list used to facilitate it.
>
>
> Joy
>
> ****************************************************************
> Joy Hecht
> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
>
> For musings about life and the vanadventures:
> http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy
>
> ****************************************************************:::-----Orig
> inal Message-----
> :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
> :::Of Craig Oda
> :::Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:33 AM
> :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> :::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
> :::
> :::Joy, sorry, but this comment seems too judgemental.  It might make
> :::people reluctant to share information.  I think that people should
> :::share information on factors that affect emissions testing and let the
> :::individuals decide whether to try tricks to pass emissions testing.
> :::
> :::There may be people on the list that don't care about the environment.
> ::: There may be people that care deeply about the health of the planet.
> :::There may be gross polluters and there may be people that lust for low
> :::emissions vehicles.    There may be people that share the same views
> :::as you on religion, politics, and the environment.  However, there are
> :::people that have different views too.
> :::
> :::I'm not here to discuss religion, politics, the olympics, or the
> :::environment.  Let's keep the topic to the vans.
> :::
> :::On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:25:39 -0400, Joy Hecht <jhecht@alum.mit.edu>
> :::wrote:
> :::> Hi all,
> :::>
> :::> I know it's nice to pass your emissions test without any expense, but
> :::you
> :::> know, those emissions tests are there for a reason, and it's not
> simply
> :::to
> :::> hassle us.  NOX emissions are harmful to all of us, and to the
> natural
> :::> environment of which we are one small part - those controls are there
> :::to
> :::> protect people and animals and plants, not to make the government
> feel
> :::> powerful.
> :::>
> :::> I think we all enjoy the opportunity that our vans give us to travel
> :::and
> :::> experience the environment. Is it really acceptable to cheat on your
> :::> emissions tests to save yourself a couple of hundred bucks, but pass
> on
> :::the
> :::> harm you cause to the environment to hurt other people?
> :::>
> :::> I'd be disappointed if most of the people in this community felt it
> :::was.
> :::>
> :::> Joy
> :::>
> :::> ****************************************************************
> :::> Joy Hecht
> :::> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
> :::>
> :::> For musings about life and the vanadventures:
> :::> http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy
> :::>
> :::>
> ****************************************************************:::----
> :::-Orig
> :::> inal Message-----
> :::> :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> :::Behalf
> :::> :::Of Bob Stevens
> :::> :::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:30 PM
> :::> :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> :::> :::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
> :::> :::
> :::> :::Both W-boxer and TIICO emissions experience: I have failed
> emissions
> :::in
> :::>
> :::>
> :::> :::this
> :::> :::area in the past with both motors, went home and retarded the
> :::advance to
> :::> :::about "0", took it back and passed with flying colors. Back home
> and
> :::> :::advance
> :::> :::the timing to where it is recommended (5-6 w-boxer, 10-12 TIICO)
> and
> :::> :::done.
> :::> :::
> :::> :::Bob Stevens
> :::> :::
> :::> :::http://groups.msn.com/BobsPhotoShare
> :::> :::http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiico
> :::> :::
> :::> ::::::-----Original Message-----
> :::> ::::::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]
> On
> :::> :::Behalf
> :::> ::::::Of Melvin Mudgett-Price
> :::> ::::::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:11 AM
> :::> ::::::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> :::> ::::::Subject: Failed Emissions Check
> :::> ::::::
> :::> ::::::Took my van for its Ohio e-Check yesterday. The engine has
> 20,000
> :::on a
> :::> ::::::rebuilt Boston Bob. It passed with flying colors 2 years ago.
> :::This
> :::> :::time
> :::> ::::::it failed on Nitrous Oxide emissions, they are supposed to be
> :::around
> :::> ::::::900, mine were 1,900.
> :::> ::::::
> :::> ::::::I called my regular mechanic (VW specialist) and he said there
> :::was
> :::> ::::::nothing he could do, when van's start failing their emissions
> :::test
> :::> ::::::that's usually the end for them. This sounds like total bs to
> me
> :::and I
> :::> ::::::don't know why he doesn't seem to want to even look at the van.
> :::Called
> :::> ::::::another VW shop and they said no problem, bring it in.
> :::> ::::::
> :::> ::::::Now to my question. What sort of things would cause the "NO" to
> :::be
> :::> :::high.
> :::> ::::::I would like have some idea not because the mechanic will try
> :::> :::bamboozle
> :::> ::::::me but because I don't like to be in the position where he
> could.
> :::> ::::::
> :::> ::::::Thanks
> :::> ::::::Melvin
> :::> ::::::83.5 Westy
> :::>
>
>