hacksaw. if your really good you can use a sawzall. ;)

Chris DeLong
Fine Tuning
206.522.5503
www.finetuningperformance.com
Seattle, WA USA

>From: Rocket J Squirrel <j.michael.elliott@ADELPHIA.NET>
>Reply-To: Rocket J Squirrel <j.michael.elliott@ADELPHIA.NET>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Battery LEDs = Useful life?
>Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:59:04 -0700
>
>What's a clean way to cut the posts?
>
>Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
>71 VW Type 2 / 84 Westy: A poor but proud race.
>KG6RCR
>
>
>
>Vince S wrote:
>
>>We all have a different perspective on what ruining is. Cutting the top
>>posts for me is no big deal if you can repair the connection. I careless
>>about the warranty. I cannot remember when have I ever use the warranty
>>on a battery. Cutting the seat swivel is a big deal for me - something I
>>will never do unless there is no alternative.
>>
>>
>>
>>- Vince
>>
>>http://gipsyflies.home.comcast.net
>>1989 Vanagon GL Camper
>>1993 Mazda Miata (for sale)
>>1996 Land Rover Discovery
>>2005 Mini Cooper S
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>Of Tom Sinclair
>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:31 PM
>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>Subject: Re: Battery LEDs = Useful life?
>>
>>
>>I don't think you have to cut the posts off--in fact
>>you could ruin the battery doing that. You have to cut
>>notches in the seat swivel so the posts will pass
>>through when laying the Optima on its side with the
>>posts facing the front of the van.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>--- Chris DeLong <green536@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>in order to install an optima into a westy with
>>>swivel seats, the terminals
>>>on top must be cut off. That is of course if you are installing it
>>>under the front seat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris DeLong
>>>Fine Tuning
>>>206.522.5503
>>>www.finetuningperformance.com
>>>Seattle, WA USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Vince S <gipsyflies@COMCAST.NET>
>>>>Reply-To: Vince S <gipsyflies@COMCAST.NET>
>>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>Subject: Re: Battery LEDs = Useful life?
>>>>Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:40:29 -0700
>>>>
>>>>Mike,
>>>>
>>>>I don't know if all Vanagon Westy with shivel seats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>are the same though
>>>
>>>
>>>>I will be surprised if they aren't. Looks like Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>has a 90 Vanagon.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>- Vince
>>>>
>>>>http://gipsyflies.home.comcast.net
>>>>1989 Vanagon GL Camper
>>>>1993 Mazda Miata (for sale)
>>>>1996 Land Rover Discovery
>>>>2005 Mini Cooper S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Vanagon Mailing List
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>>
>>>
>>>>Of Michael Elliott
>>>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:28 PM
>>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>Subject: Re: Battery LEDs = Useful life?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What?!? Because I have shriveled seats I have to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>hack and chop the
>>>
>>>
>>>>yellowtop Optima that I just ordered??? Rats. I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>thought the thing would
>>>
>>>
>>>>fit on its side.
>>>>
>>>>I was /wondering/ why the pictures on Sean's site
>>>>(http://www.vgonman.com/auxbat.htm) showed so much
>>>>
>>>>
>>>room under the
>>>
>>>
>>>>seats!!
>>>>
>>>>Grumble, grumble.
>>>>
>>>>Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
>>>>71 VW Type 2 / 84 Westy: A poor but proud race.
>>>>KG6RCR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Vince S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>>I assume your 87 Westy has shrivel seats. Given
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>that the only car size
>>>
>>>
>>>>>battery that will fit in the aux battery
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>compartment is the Group 41
>>>
>>>
>>>>>battery just like the one under the passenger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>seat. This battery is the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>easiest to install it fits like a pair of glove.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>I used this for years.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>You can order the battery hold down bar from VW
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>or find one from a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>wrecked Vanagon.
>>>>>
>>>>>The drawback of the group 41 battery is it is a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>starting battery and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>down work well if you draw the battery down very
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>low. On the flip side
>>>
>>>
>>>>>is you can get them so cheap so that may not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>matter.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Many folks including myself installed the Optima
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>yellow top (deep
>>>
>>>
>>>>>cycle) or red top (good starting battery) but it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>requires some
>>>
>>>
>>>>>modification to the battery which can be a lot of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>work. Vanagon without
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the Shrivel seats can fit the Optima on it's side
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>which requires
>>>
>>>
>>>>>securing the battery so the positive terminal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>does not short out to the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>chassis. Either of the Optima battery performs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>significantly better
>>>
>>>
>>>>>than the group 41 due to the spiral wound glass
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>fabric construction.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I have a page on my site about the modification I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>have to perform.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>- Vince
>>>>>
>>>>>http://gipsyflies.home.comcast.net
>>>>>1989 Vanagon GL Camper
>>>>>1993 Mazda Miata (for sale)
>>>>>1996 Land Rover Discovery
>>>>>2005 Mini Cooper S
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Vanagon Mailing List
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Of William Alexander
>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:35 AM
>>>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Battery LEDs = Useful life?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Forgive me if I'm asking about a common knowledge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>question - but is
>>>
>>>
>>>>>there a preferred battery to buy for the aux
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>battery space under the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>seat - I keep hearing mention that normal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>batteries won't fit there? I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>definitely plan on adding one to mine but am not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>sure which battery to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>>A second similar question on a different subject:
>>>>>
>>>>>Is there a popular heater of some sort that folks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>use to generate heat
>>>
>>>
>>>>>inside the van on cold nights? some small
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>kerosene heater or something
>>>
>>>
>>>>>like that?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the help
>>>>>
>>>>>William Alexander
>>>>>Roanoke, VA
>>>>>1987 Westy - searching for a name
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sep 6, 2004, at 10:06 AM, Vince S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just returned back from a back to back trips,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>first into the Gorge
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>then to Southern Oregon. When I was in the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>Eastern Gorge amoung 25 or
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>so vehicles in the state park there were 8
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>Vanagon Westfalia. At
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Pistol River sailing spot there were 3 among 12
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>vehicles! The weather
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>is cooler now making very comfortable camping in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>the Westy. Even got
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>to use the furnace in the cool morning a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For a few years I had only the primary battery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>Those were the years I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>didn't have all the modern electronics as I do
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>now. With one battery
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>you really have to be sure it is in good
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>condition and secondly use it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>very sparingly and leave a lot of safety margin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>=== message truncated ===
>>
>>
>>
>>
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