Are you getting spark?  What plugs are in the motor?
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Kurt Grotz wrote:

>Thanks for the people that have replied to my call for help.
>
>As far as getting started goes I have taken all suggestions.  I have dried
>it out and cleaned it out.  NO GO.  I am about ready to throw in the towel -
>before I do - one last request.
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>Seems symptom now is that is the air intake distributor and system in
>general keeps filling up with fuel and then - I am back where I started.  I
>did nothing to the electrical system and it ran fine before I had this water
>in the gas problem (and now gas in the air problem.)  I am thinking that
>maybe I screwed up (well more than I have already) and have the plug wires
>and/or injector plugs on backwards somewhere.  I have tried to be careful,
>but who knows.   So...
>
>1.  I cannot find a clear graphic in Bentley's on firing order and cylinder
>numbers to G up to distributor.  This is my understanding
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>Front of Car
>
>Cylinders and firing order
>41
>32
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>Distributor - with rotor going counter clockwise
>41
>32
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>Is that correct?
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>2. Injector plugs - it is possible I got one or both sides reversed.  I was
>careful, but who knows.  How do you tell what plug is for what injector.
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>I am hoping that it is one of these simple explanations.  If not it is a tow
>off to my Mechanics, on there first opening, about 2 weeks from now.
>
>Thanks for your prompt help in advance.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
>Of Stan Wilder
>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:48 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: SERIOUS FUEL PROBLEM - I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>Vanagon fuel tanks always hold about 1.5 gallons of gas that you can't get
>to or drain out the fuel discharge line.
>To get this fuel out you need to get the driver side of your van up about
>10" high and all fuel will then be in the outlet corner of the tank.
>Using a 1/4" fuel line weighted with solder or other weight drop the line
>into the tank and wiggle it so it will reach the very back corner of the
>tank. Wrap the exposed length of the fuel line with a rag that plugs the gas
>filler neck. Using compressed air blow through the rag so it slightly
>pressurizes your tank and forces out the remaining fuel in the tank. It just
>takes enough pressure to get the gas moving so it can start a siphon. You
>may need to move the hose several times to keep it in the fluid.
>After you've gotten out all the water / moisture then you can put about two
>gallons of gas in with 12 oz of Berrymans B12 and it'll get rid of the
>remaining water through your engine. You cal also use a product called HEAT.
>Take a good look at what you've gotten out of the tank.
>By using pressure to enhance the siphon effect I've gotten a lot of large
>crystals of rust, crud or whatever out of my tanks.
>If you've been back firing (I suspect you have) take a look at the fuel pump
>switch inside your AFM (I've got a picture if you need it). Be sure that the
>flapper valve is working properly in your AFM and the fuel switch is
>over-riding properly at full rest position.
>
>Stan Wilder
>High Performance Ceramic Coatings
>www.engineceramics.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
>Kurt Grotz
>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:22 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: SERIOUS FUEL PROBLEM - I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>I will dispense with the self proclamations of stupidity and absolute
>embarrassment over my own stupidity - but here is my problem.  If I cannot
>get a good answer - I am sure never to go 110 miles per hour in Texas.
>
>Last week I sent out an appeal to the list --   HELLLLLLLLP.....  remember?
>Well there was only one reply - I forget who now in my frustration but he
>convinced me to get rid of the filter between tank and pump.
>
>Did that - but a continued supply of water in the system meant continued tow
>jobs.  I threw in the towel and decided to completely drain the tank and
>replace if necessary.
>
>STUPID ME - As I described in the last email - I used the bleeder port -
>whatever that "T" thing is with the little screw that is impossible to screw
>back in with out dropping it.  I thought that would be a safe avenue to pump
>out that gas.  Hook up a hose, connect pump to spare battery and out comes
>the gas.
>
>About 10 minutes in to the process gas start pouring out of the air cleaner
>housing.  OUCH!!!!  Talk about flooded!  So to make a long story short I
>completely flooded the air-gas-oil all the fluid systems with gasoline.   I
>thought I got it all out - and presto - the care would not even turn over.
>How stupid was I?  I finally called my mechanics who confirmed my suspicion.
>Total flood.
>
>I took out the plugs and injectors and air filter unit and disconnected the
>coil and turned it over to pump out the gas.  That sent it out the plug
>ports and down through the exhaust as well.  I know this because gas came
>through the seams.   So - no I go from too much water in gas to gas
>everywhere.   I let it sit 24 hr to dry out, and today tried starting it. it
>ran for 15 seconds and that was it.  At least it turns over now.   Checked
>oil - sure enough - gas in there.  So I drained oil and put new in it.  Of
>course it won't start.
>
>Did I ruin the engine?  Am I fried?  I NEED HELP BAD!  I reckon I will have
>to send it to my mechanics - if they let me bring  it in there.
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>Any ideas would be appreciated.  I will call someone if necessary.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Kurt Grotz
>610-565-2530
>
>PS -  DO NOT USE THAT BLEEDER/T connection for anything other than real
>quick work.
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