There have been Westy poptop VW Vans made over many years that did not
have an upper bed. Many European model Vanagon campers have a short
poptop with no hope of a bed. Somehow the owners make do and are happy
to have the top. Companies there sold  bedless poptop addons for
thousands of dollars and had plenty of takers. Jeff and Vanagonparts.com
says he can still get them. The notion that for a poptop to be desirable
it requires an upper double bed is absurd.

Mark

>I have to agree with Sam on this matter. I'm happy to know that Mark
>Drillock and Karl Bloss are happy with their conversions. If you are
>looking just for standing room, then the cut and paste solution to
>adding a poptop is fine. However, it is a half-donkey solution if you
>want the full benefits of an upper berth. The space that can be used
>for cushions is minimal when the arched roof structure is left in.
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>To each his own. It is unfortunate that some of these half done
>solutions have been cropping up on ebay as "Westfalia camper
>conversions".
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>BenT
>http://members.aol.com/bentbtstr8/myhomepage/index.html
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>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:44:32 -0400, Sam Walters <sam.cooks@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>Don't rush into this too quickly based on Chris' post.  There is no
>>doubt that what Karl and Chris did is much simpler and therefore, much
>>quicker.  But understand what they did and didn't do, compared to Stuart
>>Black.  Some people want a roof, some want a Westy upper bunk and the
>>roof, while still other's want a Westy with its full interior.
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