Hey! watch who you're calling gnomic.  The Anti-gnomic-defamation league is
watching you buster!

Mike
I may be gnomic or not but it doesn't mean I'm a bad person.

On 10/27/04 7:20 AM, "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET> wrote:

> Yep, I agree with you, Eric. Diplomatic.
>
> I liked Jeff's final qualifying remark..... "JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION..... "
>
> I do happen to like the gnomic expression "IMHO" a bit better. Mainly
> because it is is short - and hopefully any "Net" person will understand
> it's meaning.
>
> IMHO - In my Humble Opinion
>
> Regards,
>
> John Rodgers
> 88 GL Driver
>
> Eric Zeno wrote:
>
>> Very diplomatic reply  there Jeff, and I could not agree more.
>>
>> Here is the real killing:  (He states)
>> "You have NO idea how much better the vehicle is to drive now"
>>
>>        I guess he has a spy camera and has been watching me work
>> on cars for the last 30 year.......LOL
>>                                         Eric
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey Schwaia wrote:
>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> First of all, you shouldn't have let yourself be sucked in to a post
>>> that's
>>> obviously intended to start a flame war.
>>>
>>> Secondly, I wish people would put in their posts comments like: "in my
>>> experience", or "in my opinion".
>>>
>>> In "your experience" the Subaru is great and the WBX'er is crap, "in my
>>> experience", the WBX'er has never failed me and never failed CA smog,
>>> and
>>> that's over the course of 18 years and 6 different Vanagons.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm trying to say is that experiences and opinions are
>>> quite
>>> personal and whenever someone makes statements of fact that are actually
>>> opinions it almost always starts a flame war.
>>>
>>> JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION.....
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
>>> Of Steve
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:28 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: engineering nightmares vehicles was: cruise control
>>> speedometer sensor
>>>
>>>
>>> At 08:18 AM 10/26/2004, Eric Zeno wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm suprized at the trouble you subaru people will go
>>>> thru, (like making these circuits), to fit a cross bread
>>>> engine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What trouble? In one year, the average VW engine user
>>> will spend more time fiddling around with distributor parts
>>> than I spent designing and building that VSS circuit.
>>>
>>> I seem to have a lot of extra time to sit around and
>>> design fun stuff like that now that I'm not spending all
>>> my time trying to keep a VW motor running decently
>>> and get it past the CA smog man....
>>> I've got 18 months and 13K+ miles on my conversion
>>> and the only thing I've had to do besides change an O2
>>> sensor is change oil and filter.
>>> I don't even have to add oil between changes.
>>> I've almost forgotten what it's like to have grease under
>>> my fingernails all the time.
>>> Yessir, got a helluva lot of spare time now that I no
>>> longer have a VW motor to work on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> IF a Subaru is so good just go buy one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> If Subaru made a vehicle with a stove, a fridge, a poptop,
>>> that can haul 12' lumber and is as fun to drive as the
>>> Vanagon, I'd be all over it. But to my knowledge they don't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> There are no issues like this with an inline vw
>>>> engines to solve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Uhhh... yeah. No issues like THAT...plenty of other issues though.
>>> I've seen the problems and complaints the I-4 installers have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good engineering does things as
>>>> simple as possible.  VW kept things simple.  You
>>>> need to keep it that way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tell it to all the new VW's that have a speed sensor.
>>> It's an OBD2 requirement and pretty much every new car
>>> has got one. Including VW's.
>>> If you want to convert a vanagon with a late model OBD2
>>> VW engine you're going to need a speed sensor.
>>>
>>> And no Eric, simpler is not always better. If the end result is
>>> the same, then simpler is better. But if added complexity gives
>>> clearly superior results, then simple loses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> PS  There is only 2 type's of people: VW type engineering
>>>> people, and then there are engineering nightmares.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The WBX *IS* an engineering nightmare. The cooling system
>>> alone is probably one of the worst automotive designs on the
>>> planet.If the WBX is "VW type engineering" then you can have
>>> it and I hope I never see it again.
>>>
>>> I spent more time screwing around with the WBX trying to get
>>> it to be a real motor than I spent doing the Subaru conversion.
>>> And now, for my trouble, I have a REAL motor, with REAL
>>> performance, and REAL reliability, instead of the silly
>>> pretend motor that the marvelous VW engineering people
>>> tried to stick me with. You have NO idea how much better
>>> the vehicle is to drive now.
>>> It turns a very good vehicle into an EXCELLENT vehicle.
>>>
>>> Keep your I-4's. I have nothing against folks who put one in their
>>> van. Put a Harley Davidson motor in for all I care. I'd even help
>>> do it if they're friendly and buy me a beer.
>>>
>>> If you've got such a big problem with subaru conversions, I
>>> suggest you set your filters to toss everything with the word
>>> "subaru" or "subie" directly into the trash. It'll keep you
>>> from displaying your ignorance to the list quite as often.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> '86 Westy "Escape Pod"  (EJ22)
>>> '73 Beetle "ain't got a name yet"
>>> ++++++++++
>>> Universal Hall effect VSS fits '86 and later speedo. Works with 2WD or
>>> Syncro.
>>> http://www.weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/automotive/vanagon/vss.html
>>> Need a cure for the Subie-Westy "alternator light problem"?
>>> http://www.weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/automotive/vanagon/alt_fix.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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