And, all I have to add to Tim's very well worded letter is:

Shit, shit, shit, do I agree!

And, to make sure this has Vanagon content, I pulled too far forward when
parking the other day, and got SHIT from a pile of SHIT on my bumper. (Our
friends had a pile of SHIT in front of their house to put on their
garden). Veggies (and many other plants) love SHIT!

:-)

J

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Tim in Seattle wrote:

> You've got to be kidding. "Shit" is a word that causes censorship? I
> see 604 instances of shit in the archives (63 instances of shit in the
> subject line) and don't recall any prior restraint such as this. What
> brought this on, Tom? I'd really like to know.
>
> With all the shit in the archives, I gotta ask, is shit ever allowed?
> Will someone be cleaning those dirty archives? Or will shit come in
> and out of favor based on Tom's moods amount of time to wade through
> all the shit.
>
> Where does the word ban stop? What if I'm talking about "How to Shit
> in the Woods, an Environmentally Sound Approach to a Lost Art." (by
> Kathleen Meyer, Ten Speed Press, ISBN: 0898156270)? It's a great book
> on the proper way to, well, shit, in the woods when you are dry
> camping in with your westy (required vanagon content). How about
> slight variants on shit? Like Merde? Or what if I say Shite? Crap?
> Poop?
>
> What about non-defecation related words? Bitch? It's allowed on
> primetime TV. Damn? Asshole?  Bastard? I just don't get this. These
> are words that reflect the language of everyday life.
>
> I think the issue of "kids" is a red herring. Kids on the internet are
> going to see a LOT worse things than the occasional shit word.
>
> What kind of tightass (can I say ass?) country have we become? Janet
> Jackson's Superbowl nipple (can I say nipple?) caused a huge uproar.
> Now this issue of the commercial showing an "Angry Housewives" TV show
> star in a towel in locker room with an NFL player is getting
> everyone's panties (can I say panty?) in a wad (can I say wad?). Mr.
> and Mrs America are sitting around with their kids watching a sport
> that glorifies violence (I've played football, I KNOW, the intent is
> to hurt the other players), and they have the audacity to complain
> about a nipple or a towel? Pleeeease!
>
> I'm willing to admit there are some inappropriate words for the list
> -- a certain four letter word starting with "f" and ending with "uck,"
> is an obvious choice (or non-choice) of words not to use. But, shit?
> Come on, that's going a bit too far.
>
> Frankly, I think the list can do a pretty good job of policing itself
> on issues like this. If the community standard is to be a shitless
> list (not to be confused with shit list, something no one wants to be
> on), then the archives will reinforce that, and when the occasion
> misstep occurs, the list community will let the errant poster know
> what is and isn't allowed.
>
> In this case, it seems like the list has spoken and the archives seem
> to back me up. I guess you could say, when it comes to vanagons,
> people tend to tolerate a little shit.
>
> Tim in Seattle
>
>
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:27:35 -0500, Carrington, Tom
> <tcarrington@relitech.com> wrote:
> > Joy:
> >
> > Frankly, wrong answer. Period.
> >
> > When I see profanity on the list, I interject. The fact that I unable to
> > check the list mail for few days and it took me a while to respond does not
> > excuse your posting.
> >
>
>
> --
> Tim King
> Seattle WA
> 87 Syncro Westy/Suby 2.5
>