

| Subject: | Re: 15" Wheel/Tire Report - Caution |
| From: | Richard Green |
| Date: | Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:22:54 -0600 |
I quick question on the 15 in tires. Is it not easier to find 15 inch tires than 14 inch tires that meet the requirements? I am running 14" Kuhmos that are load range "D" which I bought last year for my syncro. Hiway tread as I really do go 4x4ing---- In looking for tire specs on the internet, it sure seemed easier to find 15" ... But Ron I do like your 15" wheels you sell. Richard in Texas. > > >Absolutely true - even in a 15" size. GoWesty's claims to the contrary are >simply not supported by Volkswagen's own specificatons. Volkswagen has >always specified that ONLY reinforced tires be used on their vans - even in >cases where a 15" wheel is used. Both prior to 1968 and after 1992, >Volkswagen/Germany offered factory 15" wheels on their vans. On BOTH of >these, Volkswagen specified reinforced sidewall tires, just as they did on >models that had 14" wheels. This despite the fact that doing so reduced >their profit margin (since they had to equip their vans with pricier tires). >So it can be demonstrated that Volkswagen's engineers do not concur with >GoWesty and others who say that a non-reinforced tire "will do just fine" if >it's 15 inches. Sure, people use non-reinforced tires on their VW vans all >the time and live to tell about it. Many people don't use seatbelts and live >to tell about it too, but this does not make it smart. You will not know >whether you have compromised your van's handling until it is too late. It >will probably handle just fine in normal driving. But under extreme >conditions, when it matters most - such as a sudden "panic" swerve to avoid >an accident, which puts tremendous strain on the sidewall - the correctly >rated tire could make the difference between avoiding an accident and >flipping your van. Between life and death. Is it worth the risk? > >So you need reinforced tires. Period. If you're considering the switch to >15" wheels, price these before you jump. They're not particularly cheap, as >any Eurovan owner will attest. GoWesty's claim of cost-saving over the long >run is based on using non-reinforced tires, which is a no-no. Good 14" >reinforced tires run as low as $69; I think you'd be hard pressed to find a >good 15" reinforced tire for that price. > >If you do make the switch, using a 65 series tire on a 15" rim will indeed >give you roughly the same ride height as the stock 14" configuration, >because the taller wheel is offset by the shorter tire. This is also the >only combination that will maintain the accuracy of your speedometer. But >all things being equal (that is, if you use the correctly rated tire in both >cases, which for safety's sake you must), you will sacrifice some ride >comfort. This combination means more metal and less rubber between you and >the road. Rubber cushions your ride; metal does not. Taken to an extreme, >the current "import tuner" trend toward huge wheels and really low profile >tires has made this fact very apparent. Those cars may look cool, with all >wheel and no rubber. But they ride like go-carts, and regularly suffer tire >failure. That is why the auto and tire manufacturers will not warranty these >modifications. > >Another option is to go with 15" wheels and taller reinforced tires, which >would avoid any compromise in ride comfort or safety. This would make your >van taller, which can be a big advantage to Syncro owners who take their >vans off-road and need extra ground clearance. However, it can also be >disadvantage to those who don't off-road but would like their Vanagon to fit >in parking garages and carports. (Also it will slightly throw off your >speedometer reading.) > >I sell 15" alloys myself, so my frankness may cost me a sale or two, but my >own opinion is that the only real reason to go with 15" wheels (unless >you're looking for increased offroad ground clearance) is looks. It is not a >cost-saver, nor does it improve ride comfort or safety. So it really all >boils down to looks. I have not made the switch on my own Vanagon because >personally I do not feel that the cosmetic improvement justifies the >substantial cost. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and others >do feel that the look alone is worth the price of admission. So if you like >the look, go for it (and use properly-rated tires, for gods sake!). But if >your primary goal is cheaper tires or a more comfortable ride, don't waste >your money. > >For more information on reinforced tires and tire safety, see ><http://busdepot.com/busdepot/details/tires.jsp>. > >- Ron Salmon > The Bus Depot, Inc. > www.busdepot.com > (215) 234-VWVW > >_____________________________________________ >Toll-Free for Orders by PART # : 1-866-BUS-DEPOT > > > > > >>Best thing to do in your situation is step up to a >>LT215/75R15 - not much larger, but a heck of a lot safer. >> >>I share your caution - good luck on the replacements. >> >>David Marshall >> >>Fast Forward Automotive Inc. >>4356 Quesnel-Hixon Road >>Quesnel BC Canada V2J 6Z3 >> >>http://www.fastforward.ca mailto:sales@fastforward.ca >>Phone: (250) 992 7775 FAX: (250) 992 1160 >> >>- Vanagon Accessories and Engine Conversions >>- Vanagon, Transporter and Iltis Sales and Importation >>- European Lighting for most Volkswagen models >> >> >>Due to the large volume of email we receive, PLEASE >>include previous emails when responding. This will allow us >>to read the complete dialogue in one message and will result >>in quicker and more accurate responses. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Vanagon Mailing List >>[mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf Of Larry Chase >>Sent: March 14, 2005 6:06 AM >>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>Subject: Re: 15" Wheel/Tire Report - Caution >> >> >>Robert, >> >>Note sure what vehicle you put these on ... But if it's a >>Westy I have a concern. >> >>Please forgive me but I have to caution folks on the use >> of the Michelin HydroEdge (215/65-15) tire on a Westy Vanagon. >> >>This is a passenger car tire that "MICHELIN DOES NOT >>RECOMMEND" for a VW Vanagon Westy. >> >>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/michelin/michelin.jsp >> >>The generally agreed upon specs for a proper Westy tire are: >> >>Load Index - 97 (1609-1652 lbs) >> >>This tire has a: >> >>Load Index - 95 (1521 lbs) >> >>http://tinyurl.com/557gq >> >>Also .... Passenger car tire specs need to be "derated" >>by 10% for use on a Light Truck application. >> >>This is an industry standard. >> >>That would reduce the load Index rating of this tire to: 1369 lbs. >> >>Under perfect conditions this tire will ride and handle fine >>... Because of its low profile, often a huge improvement if >>the previous tires were also passenger car tires. >> >>But the danger is that there is "No Margin For Safety". >> >>I know that GoWesty feels these tire are appropriate .... >> >>They have a detial explanation on their web site that is very >> impressive. >> >>But if the Manufacturing of the tire will not warranty it >>for this application ... What does that tell you? >> >>Does GoWesty know more than the tire manufacturer? >> >>I'd really hate to see anyone put themselves or anyone else at risk. >> >>larry chase >>roadhaus.com >> >>- - - >> >>Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:51:37 -0500 >>From: Robert Campbell <vanagon-rcampbell@USA.NET> >>Subject: 15" Wheel/Tire Report >> >>Hello Gang! >> >>I pulled the trigger and purchased the 15" alloy wheel/tire >>set from GoWesty.com -- after about 50 miles on this simple >>(but not cheap) bolt-o= n upgrade I gotta tell you that it is GREAT! >> >>Going from the 185 to a 215 tire width is a tremendous >>improvement in stability. And the Michelin >>HydroEdge=E2=84=A2 (215/65-15) are quiet and= provide a nice >>ride! I notice a major improvement in the shimmy/shake from >>the win= d turbulence when following a tractor-trailer, >>nearly gone! And cornering = feels much better now -- I >>don't notice the "lean" as much. >> >>So, if you need tires, I would STRONGLY recommend the 15" >>wheel upgrade a= nd good tires. I believe I will be very >>happy with the hydroedge tires as I= live in Florida where I >>deal only with water on the roadways. >> >>The process in dealing with GoWesty.com was very smooth and I >>whole-heart= edly recommend them for your Vanagon needs! UPS >>delivered my wheels (over 2 d= >>ays) >>and I installed them yesterday. The best $1000 spent to date >>on my daily= >> >>driver! >> >><end report> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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