In a message dated 8/21/05 3:49:57 PM, vanagon@ASTOUND.NET writes:

<< Ray and Tom just dont get the vanagon thing. >>

They might just know better.  They are MIT grads who ran an auto repair shop
for fun and profit.  At worst, they are realistic.  Now realistically, I love
the platform and I love they concept, but everything inboard of the wheel
bearings which rotates or contains coolant is a compromise.  At least in this land
of wide open spaces.

George