Frank!
You're full of crap.
I've been coating exhaust systems with Ceramic for about 4 years now and
I've never had the report of a defect from my coatings process.
No reports of rusty spots or ceramic material flaking off.
Lots of these ceramic customers are local Porsche, Mustang, Firebird club
members that I see many times during the year at club meetings and car
shows.
I do lots of coatings on motorcycle pipes and the coatings are easily
inspected and my work has held up just fine.
If you've had a problem it's because the material wasn't properly applied to
a properly cleaned and prepared part.
Now if you say somebody screwed you and did a crappy ceramic job for you
I'll understand that.
To just overall condemn all Ceramic Coatings on exhaust is just ignorance.

Stan Wilder
Engine Ceramics
214-352-4931
www.engineceramics.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Condelli" <RAlanen@AOL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Ceramic Coat Catalytic Converter?

> In a message dated 16/11/2005 1:39:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM writes:
>
> Re:  Ceramic Coat Catalytic Converter?
>
>
>
> STAINLEES STEEL is the only way to beat this  exhaust loss problem.  My
> system on my '87 Westy is now over eight  years old and still intact
except for the
> damn flanges that DANSK so unwisely  put on their stainless steel header
> pipes, another bright idea by  imbeciles.  I've fixed that now by getting
CINTUBE
> of Montreal to make up  all the header pipes with stainless steel flanges.
> I've got a garage full  of those pipes now and have spent the better part
of the
> last eight years  getting all the exhaust parts for all waterboxer engined
> Vanagons in  production.  Now every part is available in stainless steel
except
> for the  cast iron collector on the 2.1.  CAT's are Stainless Steel
bodied,
> and  cannot last a lifetime as the internals are wearing out as you drive.
It's
>  a part that you will ALWAYS have to replace if you drive.  The cast iron
> collector on the 2.1s are still going to be cast iron and slowly rust
away,
> typically 10 ~ 15 years so we have to live with that.  But, the header
pipes,
> J-pipes and muffler tail pipe assembly will be there long after your
outta here
> !  Yes, I know a  lot of you feel that it's quite expensive  but change
your
> system twice and you've just paid for a system that would have  lasted you
a
> lifetime.  See my _STEBRO/Vanagon Stainless Steel  Exhaust System_
> (http://members.aol.com/Fkc43/stebro.htm)  wepage for complete details.
Sorry for the
> commercial  but, really, if your keeping that Vanagon of yours for any
long term
> why would  you fool around doing anything else ?  We have enough other
> projects on  these vans to keep us busy !
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank  Condelli
> Almonte, Ontario, Canada
> '87 Westy, '90 Carat, '87 Wolfsburg  (Forsale) & Lionel Trains
> Vanagon/Vanagon Westfalia Service in the Ottawa  Valley
> _Frank Condelli  & Associates_
(http://members.aol.com/Fkc43/busindex.html)
> _Vanagon Stainless Steel Exhaust  Systems_
> (http://members.aol.com/Fkc43/stebro.htm)
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