man you guys are brutal!!   hope none of y'all ever has to sell your van and
get it picked apart and criticized after you've put alot of work into it with
upgrades and modifications...

maybe you should just tell the seller "youve got a piece of crap there, you
should junk it"  or "you should give that thing away for free" .. would you
guys be happy then?  hmmm...

i tell ya, its like throwin meat to the lions!!

chris