

| Subject: | Re: Tuning question--long, sorry! |
| From: | Robert Keezer |
| Date: | Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:58:32 -0800 |
Just as computers have improved , so have Fuel Injection computers, and now they all have more features to make troubleshooting easier with improved driveability . Self diagnostics. Limp-home modes if major sensors fail. More accurate timing with Crankshaft Postion Sensors, sequential fuel injector operation, individual spark timing. Adaptive managment control- optimizes fuel economy for highway or city driving. Digifant is obsolete compared with modern VW systems so there's not much you can do with it. I wonder why the Vanagon Digifant did'nt at least get knock sensor control as other VW's did in the '80's. Robert 1982 Westfalia 2.0 Motronic --- Geza Polony <gezapolony@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote: > I've been trying to tune my '84 Westy, and > reading about others' attempts to > do the same, for a few months now, and I've > come up with a question I can't > answer. It regards the input of the various > sensors to the ECU and the way > the ECU determines fuel/air mixture. > > Let's say you have two identical, 22 year old > Vanagons next to each other, > and you're trying to tune both. The voltage > from the sensors is going to be > different for the same conditions, just because > of age and manufacturing > variability. So at 950 rpm at 185 degrees F (or > whatever) the voltage from > the AFM, the O2 sensor, the Temp II, the intake > air temp sensor, and so > forth, are going to be different from van one > to van two. > > There's no way around this, if only because you > can't get "correct" > resistance specs for the potentiometer in the > AFM. > > In practise, to set the FI mixture, mechanics > put a sniffer up the exhaust > pipe and turn the AFM screw, etc., until the > readings are within specs. > > But this doesn't really tune the engine at all > temps, RPMs, loads, etc. It > just sets it for one condition. > > The sensors in the two vans are going to be > putting out different voltages > for 4150 RPM, 190 degrees F water temp, 85 > degrees F air temp, open > throttle, etc. So the ECU will be sending a > different mixture to the FI's, > FOR THE SAME CONDITIONS. > > This leads me to believe that the ECU is in > reality a relatively crude > device, with huge margins for error from the > sensors. Otherwise, the vans > just wouldn't run. Or they would run at one set > of condition, but not at > another. > > This in turn leads to relatively inefficient > operation, in terms of engine > output and gas mileage. > > The variability of the sensors's output, take > together, also makes these > cars exceedingly difficult to tune accurately. > And this isn't even taking > into account the ignition! > > Am I on track with my thinking here? Is there > something I'm missing about > the fuel management system? > > Thanks for reading > > > Geza > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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