

| Subject: | Re: (rear) cv joint |
| From: | Sudhir Desai |
| Date: | Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:42:55 -0500 |
For that much money? Definately not. I did it because I have a huge vat of saab cv grease laying around and it was fun. ~that's pretty bad to pay almost $1000 to get em done. :( Sudhir On 3/5/06, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote: > Would you still do this if you had to pay $150-$200 for it? Shop labor > here is now ~ $85/hour. Plus taxes. Is this frequency really value > added. > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sudhir Desai [mailto:sudhir.desai@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:32 AM > To: Dennis Haynes > Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com > Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint > > why not? > I did it with my red 'n white van. sure, it might have been overkill, > but I never had a cv "go bad" on me. > > On 3/5/06, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote: > > Annual CV joint inspections! Please stop! The real trick to CV joint > > life is using the proper lubricant. Shortly after the Vanagon got the > WB > > engine CV joint noises where becoming a common problem. Around '86, VW > > changed the grease to some higher temperature formulae. This > eliminated > > the problem. The grease that is supplied in all of the aftermarket > kits, > > (blue tube) is the older grease. If you get the kits from the dealer, > > you get the later grease (white tube). Also, for the front outer > joints > > the dealer kits have the correct high strength, longer locking nut. > > > > Dennis > > 1987 Syncro Westy > > FUN BUS > > 235,600 miles original CV joints and engine. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On > Behalf > > Of Sudhir Desai > > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:31 PM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint > > > > When I was at skip barber, we rebuilt the cv's in all the cars at > > regular intervals as they were rotated in and out of service. What I > > remember most was the scrap pile that contained mountains of junk cv's > > that had very little wrong with them whatsoever (the small grooves you > > mentioned would have been cause to junk the entire assembly). That's > > on heavy usage racecars, so there's not exactly a 1-1 correlation, but > > I would recommend purchasing a new set of 4 and then getting to know > > them better by rebuilding them once a year. :D > > > > my $.02 > > > > Sudhir > > > > On 3/4/06, Wesley Pegden <wes@cs.uchicago.edu> wrote: > > > Thanks for all the replies and help! > > > > > > Here's the damage report. > > > > > > I have all joints out and pretty well cleaned up. None of them are > > > perfect: two of them have shallow grooves in the outer ring, but no > > > pitting. Is this cause for replacement? (If so, I need to replace > > all > > > 4). The joints weren't making noise while on the car, and off the > car > > > in my hand, they felt good and smooth. The grooves average perhaps > > 1cm > > > long and 1mm wide, and they're not very deep... some are easier to > see > > > than to feel, and some are easier to feel than to see. But then > > again, > > > some tracks on the outer piece have 2 or 3 of these (usually in > > parallel). > > > > > > One of the joints has a ball with a little nick on one of the balls, > > and > > > a little bit of pitting in some of the tracks of the outer ring (in > > > addition to the grooves)---I guess I'm thinking I need to replace > this > > one. > > > > > > Finally, the last one has slight pitting on several of the balls, > some > > > wider grooves on the outer piece (one almost a cm wide), and > > significant > > > pitting in one of the tracks on the inner piece. I guess I'm > thinking > > I > > > need to replace this one. > > > > > > So, I guess my question is... am I right that I'm best off replacing > > > these two, and is it unwise to keep the other two, whose problems > are > > > mainly grooves? > > > > > > Thanks very much, > > > Wes > > > > > > .John Rodgers wrote: > > > > Nope! Wear rates are diferent in each CV and that wear changes > the > > > > specs. our fits and clearances in the mixed parts would be all out > > of > > > > whack. The mixed-and-matched CV assembly wouldn't hold up very > long > > > > and there would be ve\irtually no reliability. The thing would > > > > probably come apart and leave you stranded halfway between > Somewhere > > > > and Nowhere, USA. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John Rodgers > > > > 88 GL Driver x2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Wesley Pegden wrote: > > > > > > > >> I think everything I've read has been pretty clear about this, > but > > I > > > >> just want to check... I can't mix and match pieces from two of my > > > >> (original lobro) joints to get one good joint, right? The > stamping > > on > > > >> both joints is the same: > > > >> VW [logo] 211 501 331 B > > > >> LOBRO 49/83 W/GERMANY % N > > > >> > > > >> (The percent sign is a diamond with a W in it). > > > >> > > > >> Thanks very much, > > > >> Wes > > > >> > > > >> Wesley Pegden wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Let me rephrase that... does a nick in one of the balls mean > that > > > >>> JOINT needs to be replaced? > > > >>> > > > >>> -Wes > > > >>> > > > >>> Wesley Pegden wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Does a nick in one of the balls mean a new bearing is > required?? > > > >>>> Thanks... > > > >>>> -Wes > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sam Walters wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> For excellent instructions on CV removal, cleaning and > > reassembly, > > > >>>>> and > > > >>>>> installation, check these two links. 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