2 beers per axle,  i would'nt use sand paper to clean up. this job can be a heck of a mess
make sure you check all bolts after and for the next few days to see if anything came loose, retighten
but not over tighten..  goodandtighten.. hehe

have fun.
Joe

-----Original Message-----
>From: Wesley Pegden <wes@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU>
>Sent: Mar 7, 2006 8:01 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint
>
>The cv thread lives on!
>
>What I'm wondering now is: what methods are acceptable for cleaning up
>my axles before putting the new joints on?  Is sandpaper a bad idea for
>some reason?
>
>Thanks again, guys,
>Wes
>
>
>Sudhir Desai wrote:
>> hehehehe~ true.
>> I never think about those things.
>>
>> I think the only things not fun about working on the van are the
>> engine, transmission disassembly, and replacing coolant.
>>
>> Sudhir
>>
>> On 3/5/06, Mike Collum <collum@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Shouldn't your advice have stated that it was for those who have a huge
>>> vat of Saab CV grease and think the procedure is fun?
>>>
>>> I've had my '84 since '91 and I've repacked the CVs once.  At that time
>>> I swapped in one used axle (repacked, of course) because the joints on
>>> the one axle were just too far gone.
>>>
>>> I've read that they should be done every 30,000 miles but I tend to
>>> exceed that mileage with visual inspections of the boots.
>>>
>>> I got my '85 in 2002 and have only inspected the boots several times.  I
>>> have no idea when they were last serviced, but they're not giving me any
>>> problems.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> Sudhir Desai wrote:
>>>
>>>> For that much money? Definately not.  I did it because I have a huge
>>>> vat of saab cv grease laying around and it was fun.
>>>>
>>>> ~that's pretty bad to pay almost $1000 to get em done. :(
>>>>
>>>> Sudhir
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/5/06, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Would you still do this if you had to pay $150-$200 for it? Shop labor
>>>>> here is now ~ $85/hour. Plus taxes. Is this frequency really value
>>>>> added.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Sudhir Desai [mailto:sudhir.desai@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:32 AM
>>>>> To: Dennis Haynes
>>>>> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint
>>>>>
>>>>> why not?
>>>>> I did it with my red 'n white van.  sure, it might have been overkill,
>>>>> but I never had a cv "go bad" on me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/5/06, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Annual CV joint inspections! Please stop! The real trick to CV joint
>>>>>> life is using the proper lubricant. Shortly after the Vanagon got the
>>>>>>
>>>>> WB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> engine CV joint noises where becoming a common problem. Around '86, VW
>>>>>> changed the grease to some higher temperature formulae. This
>>>>>>
>>>>> eliminated
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the problem. The grease that is supplied in all of the aftermarket
>>>>>>
>>>>> kits,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> (blue tube) is the older grease. If you get the kits from the dealer,
>>>>>> you get the later grease (white tube). Also, for the front outer
>>>>>>
>>>>> joints
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the dealer kits have the correct high strength, longer locking nut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>> 1987 Syncro Westy
>>>>>> FUN BUS
>>>>>> 235,600 miles original CV joints and engine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>>>>
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of Sudhir Desai
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:31 PM
>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was at skip barber, we rebuilt the cv's in all the cars at
>>>>>> regular intervals as they were rotated in and out of service.  What I
>>>>>> remember most was the scrap pile that contained mountains of junk cv's
>>>>>> that had very little wrong with them whatsoever (the small grooves you
>>>>>> mentioned would have been cause to junk the entire assembly).  That's
>>>>>> on heavy usage racecars, so there's not exactly a 1-1 correlation, but
>>>>>> I would recommend purchasing a new set of 4 and then getting to know
>>>>>> them better by rebuilding them once a year.  :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my $.02
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sudhir
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/4/06, Wesley Pegden <wes@cs.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for all the replies and help!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the damage report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have all joints out and pretty well cleaned up.  None of them are
>>>>>>> perfect: two of them have shallow grooves in the outer ring, but no
>>>>>>> pitting.  Is this cause for replacement?  (If so, I need to replace
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4).  The joints weren't making noise while on the car, and off the
>>>>>>>
>>>>> car
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> in my hand, they felt good and smooth.  The grooves average perhaps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1cm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> long and 1mm wide, and they're not very deep... some are easier to
>>>>>>>
>>>>> see
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> than to feel, and some are easier to feel than to see.  But then
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> again,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> some tracks on the outer piece have 2 or 3 of these (usually in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> parallel).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the joints has a ball with a little nick on one of the balls,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a little bit of pitting in some of the tracks of the outer ring (in
>>>>>>> addition to the grooves)---I guess I'm thinking I need to replace
>>>>>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally, the last one has slight pitting on several of the balls,
>>>>>>>
>>>>> some
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wider grooves on the outer piece (one almost a cm wide), and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> significant
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pitting in one of the tracks on the inner piece.  I guess I'm
>>>>>>>
>>>>> thinking
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> need to replace this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I guess my question is... am I right that I'm best off replacing
>>>>>>> these two, and is it unwise to keep the other two, whose problems
>>>>>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> mainly grooves?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks very much,
>>>>>>> Wes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .John Rodgers wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope!  Wear rates are diferent in each CV and that wear changes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> specs. our fits and clearances in the mixed parts would be all out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> whack. The mixed-and-matched CV assembly wouldn't hold up very
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> long
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and there would be ve\irtually no reliability. The thing would
>>>>>>>> probably come apart and leave you stranded halfway between
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Somewhere
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and Nowhere, USA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Rodgers
>>>>>>>> 88 GL Driver x2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wesley Pegden wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think everything I've read has been pretty clear about this,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just want to check... I can't mix and match pieces from two of my
>>>>>>>>> (original lobro) joints to get one good joint, right?  The
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> stamping
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> both joints is the same:
>>>>>>>>> VW [logo] 211 501 331 B
>>>>>>>>> LOBRO 49/83 W/GERMANY % N
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (The percent sign is a diamond with a W in it).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks very much,
>>>>>>>>> Wes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wesley Pegden wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me rephrase that... does a nick in one of the balls mean
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JOINT needs to be replaced?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Wes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wesley Pegden wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does a nick in one of the balls mean a new bearing is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> required??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks...
>>>>>>>>>>> -Wes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Walters wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For excellent instructions on CV removal, cleaning and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> reassembly,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> installation, check these two links.  The second expands on
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures and explanation of how to know you reassembled them
>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://volksweb.relitech.com/cvjoints.htm    Tom Carrington's
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> web
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Ben Huot's additions to this at
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.benplace.com/cv_joint_maintenance.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Walters
>>>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 89 Syncro GL, Zetec Inside
>>>>>>>>>>>> 85 Westy Weekender
>>>>>>>>>>>> 85 Mercedes Benz 300D Turbodiesel - to become veggie oil
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> powered
>>>>>
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