

| Subject: | Re: MPG Question |
| From: | Dennis Haynes |
| Date: | Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:12:14 -0500 |
The odometers are gear driven so the only variation there is tire size. 205/70-14's are actually smaller than 185/82-14's so the alloy wheels with factory 205's add to both the speedometer and odometer error. On the stock tires, driving at an indicated speed of 55 mph, you get the added advantage that you are not dong 55. On some Vanagons your actual speed can be as low as 48 due to speedo error designed to make you drive slower. For a few years, if the speedo could read over 85 mph, the error was 6% + 3 mph. 84's in particular had this effect. My 88 fox speedo is so far off, I use the tach as my guide. On my Syncro's I went to 215/65-16 tires, (27.2" vs. 25.5 stock), and the speedo and odometer now read ~1% under. Last Florida to New York trip did 16.5 mpg. I did 70 when I could. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Geza Polony Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:25 AM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: MPG Question One thing to take into consideration: the wide variations in mpg we're seeing here could very well be related to odometer variations in these 20+ year old vehicles. Bentley Section 90.30 tells us that, brand new, odometer tolerance is from -1% to + 3.75%, in other words, a spread of almost 5%. Couple that with over- or under-sized tires, and you could get variations of 20% easy. I've noticed that going taking the exact same route from our home to our vacation place yields different mileage readings on the odo. And I mean exact same route! Maybe five miles difference over the course of 400 miles. Claims of driving X MPH for such and such a MPG may be erroneous, too. It turns out the speedometers have a total tolerance, new, of almost 18%! (Bentley 90.30) Incredibly, VW indicates that for a real 50 MPH speed, speedometer readings can be up to 58.7 MPH! In other words, when you think you're going 75, you may only be doing 65 or so--and that's with absolutely stock tires. What are we really measuring, then? This is all ballpark figuring, when you look at it that way. EPA must calculate MPG using measured distances, rather than odometer readings, along with carefully measured gas. I was originally asking a mechanical question. Is there something that typically cuts gas mileage down even though the car runs fine? What would that be, if so?
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