Joel Walker wrote:

> ...they are about as closely related as a turtle (the vanagon) and a
> salamander (the element).
> yes, they have four legs each.
> yes, they have two eyes each.
> yes, they have a head at one end and a tail at the other end.
> yes, they are both amphibeans.
> and that's about it.

For the record... turtles are reptiles.  Better stick to automotive
metaphors.

Geo H

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