

| Subject: | Am I getting through to the list? |
| From: | Andrew Grebneff |
| Date: | Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:57:20 +1200 |
Every time I send a message since a couple of weeks or so ago, I get a response as below, and have no idea whether my postings are making it... >X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 >Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:24:10 -0400 >Reply-To: "L-Soft list server at Vanagon List (1.8d)" ><LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >From: "L-Soft list server at Vanagon List (1.8d)" ><LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >Subject: [VANAGON] Your message to vanagon-request@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296, Antispam-Engine: 2.3.0.1, >Antispam-Data: 2006.6.16.151433 >X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__HAS_MSGID 0, >__LINES_OF_YELLING 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' > >Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:24:10 > >Your message to vanagon-request@GERRY.VANAGON.COM has been forwarded to >the "list owners" (the people who manage the vanagon list). If you wanted >to reach a human being, you used the correct procedure and you can ignore >the remainder of this message. If you were trying to send a command for >the computer to execute, please read on. > >The vanagon list is managed by a ListServ server. ListServ commands >should always be sent to the "ListServ" address, ie >LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. ListServ never tries to process messages sent >to the vanagon-request address; it simply forwards them to a human being, >and acknowledges receipt with the present message. > >The "listname-request" convention originated on the Internet a long time >ago. At the time, lists were always managed manually, and this address >was defined as an alias for the person(s) in charge of the mailing list. >You would write to the "listname-request" address to ask for information >about the list, ask to be added to the list, make suggestions about the >contents and policy, etc. Because this address was always a human being, >people knew and expected to be talking to a human being, not to a >computer. Unfortunately, some recent list management packages screen >incoming messages to the "listname-request" address and attempt to >determine whether they are requests to join or leave the list. They look >for words such as "subscribe", "add", "leave", "off", and so on. If they >decide your message is a request to join or leave the list, they update >the list automatically; otherwise, they forward the message to the list >owners. Naturally, this means that if you write to the list owners about >someone else's unsuccessful attempts to leave the list, you stand good >chances of being automatically removed from the list, whereas the list >owners will never receive your message. No one really benefits from this. >There is no reliable mechanism to contact a human being for assistance, >and you can never be sure whether your request will be interpreted as a >command or as a message to the list owners. This is why ListServ uses two >separate addresses, one for the people in charge of the list and one for >the computer that runs it. This way you always know what will happen, >especially if you are writing in a language other than English. > >In any case, if your message was a ListServ command, you should now >resend it to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. The list owners know that you >have received this message and may assume that you will resend the >command on your own. You will find instructions for the most common >administrative requests below. > >+---------------------+ >| TO LEAVE THE LIST | >+---------------------+ > >Write to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM and, in the text of your message (not >the subject line), write: SIGNOFF vanagon > >+--------------------+ >| TO JOIN THE LIST | >+--------------------+ > >Write to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM and, in the text of your message (not >the subject line), write: SUBSCRIBE vanagon > >+------------------------+ >| FOR MORE INFORMATION | >+------------------------+ > >Write to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM and, in the text of your message (not >the subject line), write: "HELP" or "INFO" (without the quotes). HELP >will give you a short help message and INFO a list of the documents you >can order.
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