

| Subject: | Re: AT Fluid Burping out of ATF Dip Stick Tube? Causes Trans Malfunction, 88 Auto |
| From: | robertmstewart |
| Date: | Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:49:18 -0400 |
Dennis, I am not sure what you mean by the breather, where on the van is it located? I am not a mechanic so please excuse my ignorance. What are my options, what should I tell the mechanic's to look for? Is this something fixable? Does this mean I need a new tranny? Can I actually fix this? Thanks again, rob on 7/20/06 10:26 PM, Dennis Haynes at dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET wrote: > The first thing to check is the breather on top. There are two of them. > One is for the differential and the other for the auto section. They > tend to get blocked with road dirt. As the van is driven, the fluid in > the torque converter heats up and expands rapidly. If air can��t escape > out the breather, fluid will be pushed out of the dipstick as it is > connected at the bottom of the pan. > > Auto transmissions often fail suddenly. Get an internal seal leak so > there is not sufficient pressure for the clutches to lock and they start > to slip and things can burn up quickly. > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf > Of robertmstewart > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:53 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: AT Fluid Burping out of ATF Dip Stick Tube? Causes Trans > Malfunction, 88 Auto > > Hello everyone, > > I have a question for you, my 88 Auto with a used good condition Tranny > all > of a sudden today started to fail and I am at a loss and need your > feedback... > > (The short version is this: ATF burping and how does a perfectly working > AT > go to a non-functioning AT?) > > Here��s the background: > > The van��s past owner before the person I purchased it from was a VW > Mechanic > and the prior owner and he installed another auto trans from another > good > working van��s tranny several years ago. > > I have had the van since January 06. Since then the transmission has > been > shifting normally, and for the last month I have been traveling 3-4 hour > trips from Long Island to Upstate NY and doing some serious highway > driving > and mountain driving. Usually I put in at least 8 hours of solid driving > per > weekend for 4 weekends. All in all the van has performed great.. > > Here��s where the story starts.. Just before my first long trip (4 weeks > ago) > I check all fluids, stupidly I did it when the van was cold, and in > doing so > thought the ATF was low so I added just a little bit to what was in > there, > now after about 3hrs of driving, I pull into the driveway at my > destination > and park the van, well I see ATF fluid burping out of the Dip Stick > tube! > Not much just a little 1/4 cup. I figure it��s just the overflow kicking > out. > I check it in 10 minutes and the level is fine. > > Well 4 weeks pass and I drive it pretty hard to and from the LI to > Upstate > NY, 8 hrs per weekend (3x) all is good. Today I start the van up and > drive 1 > mile away from the house in Long Island to the grocery, on the way I can > see > smoke from the back of the van, it smells like the ATF burping and > leaking > onto the exhaust. I park at the grocery and see it burping out, about > 1/4 �� > 1/2 cup. I do some shopping come back 15 min. later, and drive the 1 > mile > home, all seems fine. No smoke. After it cools down a bit I check the > ATF > fluid and it appears a bit low, so I top it off with Dexron III and > accidentally over fill it but not by much. > > About 4 hours later I get in the van and drive back the same direction > about > 1 mile to go to the post office and immediately I can detect something > is > not right. > At the stop light with the brake on I can see the rpm��s go from about > 875 > and revs to about 1,000, then levels off again, normally at idle it > stays > right at 875. I thought the surging was strange. I then continue to > drive > and again I see the smoke occurring again from the back of the van, > smells > again like ATF on the exhaust, now I decide to head right to me local > standard mechanic not my VW guy cause he was closed. > > The local guy tells me the burping is normal if there is to much ATF in > the > case. So he checks the fluid and he says the level is good. He tells me > to > bring it by in the morning as I wanted them to check the brakes since I > just > had all the brakes replaced (the original ones were too rusty). I then > decide to take a little drive just a mile down the road along beach to > let > the fluid cycle through and burn off the stuff was sitting on the > exhaust > and I thought that maybe taking it up to highway speed would be good, to > get > the fluid really circulating. Bad idea... > > As I drive this simple little straight route I notice the transmission > is > not engaging right, when I take my foot off the brake it usually goes > forward on its own, this time nothing.. I have to gas it. Then it gets > progressively worse. It goes into 1st, then second, then it rev��s and > then > goes to 3rd, and then I thought, oh crap! I have problems. Time to get > it > back to the mechanic! > > Well To late, I turn it around to go back the mile I came and now at the > stop light I give it gas and it goes now where! > > I am stuck during rush hour and everyone is honking, my flasher are on, > but > people don��t pay attention. I signal for them to go around me. People > are > screaming, others understand.. > > I call the mechanic and see if they can come by and push me the 4 blocks > to > the garage, he says he can��t. I then call AAA to haul my van back, but > right after I decide to start the van and try... Well it starts to move, > each time I stop it��s a crap shoot to whether it will move. It never > gets > past 1st gear. I have to literally move my body a little forward to try > and > coax the van to get in gear and move, but somehow I get to the garage. > While > the engine is still hot I check the ATF level, I see a hair on the end, > but > it was pretty try. > > So what is going on with all the burping and how does a perfectly > working AT > go to a non-functioning AT? The mechanic suspected that the AT is > overheating.. What does this mean? I just hope this does turn into a > massive > money pit now..... > > I hope someone here can shed some light on the burping issue, and why > all of > a sudden the transmission would not engage... > > Thanks in advance, > Robert
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