At 04:34 PM 8/6/2006, you wrote:

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>Came on a little strong there.

Thank goodness someone did ... maybe it's time you saw astronomic
increase of ozone depletion, the effects of global warming,
individual waste generation etc. as just a bit more offensive than
your misplaced sensibilities towards my comments

>One would hope that you don't own anything that takes batteries and
>are indeed riding a bike.

What is the point of this comment? Is it supposed show that my
comments are invalid because I use batteries (re-chargeable and solar
charged)? Aren't you listening? I own a Vanagon! That is my personal
indulgence and biggest environmental sin.

>Then again  it takes all kinds in this world, even people like you <shrug>.

Rob, it's the <shrug> attitudes of this world and criticisms and
dismissal of those who voice for change that got us to this sorry
environmental point in the first place ...

>Best of luck

Oh please ...

>Rob
>becida@comcast.net
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>At  8/6/2006 04:21 PM,Bob Elliott wrote:
>>The last week on the list has produced some product endorsements that
>>I've found quite disturbing, in particular when these endorsements
>>originate from our supposedly nature appreciating group. Specifically
>>when the products mentioned this week use "C" and "D" cell batteries,
>>in some cases "8" at a time! How can we sanction this when the
>>majority of Westy owners have 12volt available to power these
>>devices? Regardless, how can we endorse the use of these products
>>period! I noticed that there was some discussion of wiring these into
>>our 12v systems or adding a cigarette lighter plug but there was no
>>chastising of the folks that actually bought these devices. Well
>>then, I'll do it ... What the hell were you thinking????? Any device
>>that needs 12v had better also need to be portable (flashlights, PS
>>etc) and these fans definitely don't need to be portable!!!! By
>>buying these environmental abominations you are encouraging the
>>WalMarts of the world to order more of this product and in doing so
>>the "earth killing" cycle continues. Where do the buyers and users of
>>these products think these batteries go when you fling them out in
>>the trash? There has been no mention of the environmental impact that
>>the disposal of these batteries have on the planet ... take the time
>>to Google and learn. On top of all this no mention was made of
>>re-chargeable batteries to run these electrical Neanderthals. It
>>amazes me the amount of effort and discussion that goes into Vanagon
>>implementation, maintenance and use of solar panels to run laptops,
>>stereos and portable DVD players in the wilds, but not a word about
>>using solar power to charge batteries to run small use appliances!
>>
>>The reality is that our vans (in comparison to more modern
>>technology) roll the earth in far from environmentally positive
>>terms. Our stock engines produce high toxic emissions and our
>>dinosaur carcass consumption is at times truly shameful. To balance,
>>to a degree, these facts I believe it would be prudent to off-set the
>>negatives with a more environmentally positive approach to all other
>>aspects of our vehicles. These efforts would include (when affordable
>>and practical) the conscious use of reusable products, renewable
>>energy sources and the appropriate disposal of used material. I
>>realize that numerous members have already developed and implemented
>>these approaches and we should all applaud their initiative and
>>continued efforts.
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>>
>>I realize that the 'old guard' will find many faults with this
>>writing and will somehow devise a way to defend 8 disposable "D" cell
>>usage for a fan. To them I say that a wide tongue is often the
>>product of a narrow heart.
>>
>>sincerely
>>
>>bob elliott
>>
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Have you noticed that shallow is the new deep.

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