It boils down to this:

         With the stock wiring, the headlights will not turn on unless the
ignition switch is on.

         *so*

         When that stock wiring is used to control the relays (instead of
controlling the headlights directly), the *relay* will not turn on unless
the ignition switch is on. So you still get no headlights unless the
ignition switch is on.

         The heavy wires for the headlights can go right from the battery
to the relays (through fuses, of course), and you still won't get
headlights unless the ignition is turned on.

         The headlights won't go on unless the relay goes on, the relay
won't go on unless the ignition switch is on.

Tim

At 08:00 AM 8/11/2006 -0700, Robert Fisher wrote:
>Dennis said: "The controls wiring will take care of turning off the lights
>with the ignition switch." Is that not the same thing? Can you elaborate on
>that Dennis?
>
>Robert
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sam Johnson" <wrey45@YAHOO.COM>
>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 5:50 AM
>Subject: Re: no headlights cept pulling back on turn signal stick - 87 westy
>
>
>>Frank is using "ignition-switched" power so that headlights can never be
>>left on by mistake as presently configured at the factory.
>>
>>Sam
>>
>>
>>
>>p.s. Sorry to answer for you Frank!!!            S