> I don't mean to be down on Eurovans or the California, etc. but even if they
> did bring those to our market would they really fill the void of what we
> have come to love in the Vanagon? I'm sure they are fine vehicles but to me
> they lack the uniqueness, charm, and versatility of the Vanagon, Loaf, or
> Splittie - they look like a mini-van. Nothing wrong with that if it is a
> mini-van you're looking for.

Here's a new T5 in Amsterdam last month:
http://jones.colorado.edu/jones/VW-T5.jpg
Nicer than a T4 Eurovan, but lower overall.  For camping, the
Vanagon height is still the best.  For bashing around our West,
the Vanagon clearance is still the best.  My opinion.

BTW--VW has used "California" for their camper name in Europe for
a long time.  California and Joker.

                        Richard A Jones
                        Boulder, Colorado