> what i find kinda sad is, there is no mention at all in the on the new
> parts vendor(s)  websites that these are not actual vanagon jailbars,
> nor close to the correct design either... they are just repro '79 down bus
> jailbars modified to fit the vanagon.
>
> its like, "Hey, look at my cool Just Kamper repro jailbars that were
really
> made for a bus but if you bend a few parts this way and tweak a few that
> way, they fit the vanagon too"  LOL
>
> kinda like Cubic Zirconium vs a real diamond.   or a color xerox copy
> of the Mona Lisa hanging on your wall in a 4.99 wal-mart frame. ..
>
> if anyone wants the REAL DEAL...correct factory german made jailbars
> for the 80-91 vanagon..highly polished aluminum . .  i have 2 pairs of
them..
> $75 each.   i'd sure as hell would pay $15 more for originality..

Chris, I'm sure you can sell your precious jailbars without having to stoop
so low as to disparage a competing product that you've never actually seen.

I already corrected you yesterday, quite politely, when you provided this
misinformation to the list regarding the Just Kampers Vanagon jailbars
(which, incidentally, you have never seen nor tried to install).  At that
time I assumed it an honest mistake. Yet, inexplicably, you repeat it today,
even more forcefully. Let me see how clearly I can put this. The Just
Kampers jailbars for the Vanagon are specifically designed to fit a Vanagon,
and they do fit.  Contrary to your "sight-unseen" claim, you do NOT have to
"bend a few parts this way and tweak a few that way" to make them fit.  You
just have to screw them on, and that's that.  My first shipment sold out
quickly and I had no complaints about the look _or_ the fit.  I don't know
how I can state this any more plainly.

I don't think you have to resort to slamming other products sight-unseen in
order to sell your used jailbars. $75 is a reasonable price, and I'm sure
there are a couple of people who will gladly pay that much to get a used
original set rather than a new aftermarket set.

I will have to look at a set to answer whether the mount at the bottom of
the post of the Vanagon version is the same shape as on an original German
one, or how bright the finish is.  I didn't answer your question immediately
because as I already said, I'm out of stock on them until Tuesday so I don't
have a set to look at until then. (And even if I did, I can't say I'd rush
out to my shop over Christmas weekend just to find out. This isn't exactly a
life-or-death matter.)  I don't think the majority of Vanagon owners are
nearly as concerned about this sort of minutia as you are anyway, but for
those who are, I would certainly recommend a used original set.

Slamming other people's products for your own personal gain is beneath you
and beneath this list. You will notice that the other vendors here (and yes,
you are a commercial vendor, as you part out Vanagons for profit) treat
eachother with respect.

It's a waste of everyone's time, including mine, to get into a pissing
contest over jailbar minutia. I'm sure Chris' used jailbars are in great
shape (he's very fastidious about his parts), and anyone who wants a used
original set should definitely buy them.

Take a deep breath, mellow out, and have a merry Christmas!

- Ron Salmon
  The Bus Depot, Inc.
  www.busdepot.com
  (215)  234-VWVW

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