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Subject:Re: Moral question
From:Bj�rn Ratjen
Date:Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:19:05 -0800

That reminds me of a story:

Some time ago there was a big apartment complex 
that had some recurring heating problems. The 
steam heating system would work for a while and 
then stop again. Many technicians were called in 
and many parts were replaced however the system 
would stall again. At some point it came to a 
complete stop. A complete replacement was 
discussed as the temperatures dropped, however, 
the company who owned the buildings hesitated due 
to the anticipated cost. It was clear though that 
something needed to be done soon.

One of technicians who had worked on the system 
suggested to ask an old and very experienced 
installer and technician who had actually years 
ago taken him on as an apprentice. It was agreed 
that they should contact the old man before 
serious replacements of equipment and plumbing 
were to take place. The old man came, carefully 
listened to the noises in the system and followed 
some pipes. Then he took out a small hammer and 
tapped a valve. With hissing and groaning the 
system began to work again. Everyone was grateful 
and full of admiration as the whole procedure had barely taken 15 minutes.

Then the bill came for $310. The manager of the 
buildings was not amused as the old gentleman had 
only been there for a very short time and asked for an itemized invoice.

It read:
tapping valve $10
knowing where to tap $300

Bj�rn

P.S. Now read this story form a customer or service provider perspective.

At 02:16 PM 16/01/2007, you wrote:
>Ok, in a question with no bearing on the Boston Bob scandal of late, here's
>a situation I've been in many times and have yet to find an answer for.
>
>You hire a tradesperson by the hour to fix a problem. He or she puts in the
>hours, but does not fix the problem. Do you pay?
>
>Sounds simple, but it rarely is. Case #1: I took a '93 Saab to a reputable
>local mech to have the vacuum cruise control fixed, something which I now
>know is by definition impossible. After five hours of labor at something
>like $85 per hour, the mech came back with a kind of sheepish look and said
>he just couldn't figure it out.
>
>He put in the time, so he should be paid. I didn't get the problem fixed, so
>he shouldn't be paid. What's the answer?
>
>Case #2: an HVAC installer put in a $4,500 water heater in one of our
>buildings, but could not get it to start. After countless hours on the phone
>with the manufacturer and other information sources, we had our maintenance
>guy reverse the polarity on the AC supply. Five minutes and it worked fine.
>We paid the installer around $2K for his labor but balked at the second bill
>he sent for his (worthless) hours troubleshooting.
>
>He put in the hours. Should he be paid? Should we, for the damage to our
>company's reputation from irate tenants without hot water? For the hours we
>put in?
>
>I think this happens all the time, especially in diagnostic situations
>involving things like intermittent electrical problems.
>
>In Vanagons.
>
>Any mechanics out there care to comment?
>
>Geza

Bj�rn Ratjen, Ph.D.
Cobble Hill, B.C.
phone/fax (250) 743-7575

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