As full as California is with bureaucratic red tape, the chances of that (no
sniff/no dyno) happening is as good as finding ice machines in hades.  The
state couldn't stand the backlash in loss of jobs for a lot these
certifiable inpectors.
--
Jim Thompson
84 GL 1.9 "Gloria"
84 Westfalia 2.1 "Ole Putt"
73 K Ghia Coupe "Denise"
72 411 Station Wagon "Pug"
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On 2/1/07, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> The certification process for new vehicles designs is based on grams per
> mile. The emissions tests really only make sure the vehicle is working as
> designed. The tests are only there to ensure some level of maintenance. Many
> programs now are moving toward reliance of the OBD systems for the testing.
> No faults, all test good, (ready state) then no sniffer or dyno test
> required.
>
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Raymond Paquette
> Date: Thursday, February 1, 2007 12:11 pm
> Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
> > I've always thought that a smog test should measure TOTAL
> > emissions instead
> > of parts per million. As it is your Hummer may well pass the
> > smog test
> > while emitting more than a smaller vehicle, simply because the
> > total exhaust
> > volume is higher.
> >
> > Raymond
> >
> >
> > On 2/1/07, Joseph Fortino wrote:
> > >
> > > I feel its all about Money not air.. bottom line is they want
> > you to buy
> > > a new car
> > > plain and simple i feel.. ok HUMMER?? what a useless car..
> > lol what will
> > > it be like
> > > for them on 25 years smog'n that crap?? hehe
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Jim Akiba
> > > >Sent: Feb 1, 2007 6:29 AM
> > > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > >Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> > > >
> > > >Well here's where it gets even more complex. Actually we
> > could easily
> > > put
> > > >all of the emissions gear into the vanagon, the stock cat, the
> > > differential
> > > >pressure sense EGR, the evaporative emissions system and
> > leakdown gear,
> > > the
> > > >canister and purge gear, and have all readiness codes set. It
> > doesn't> >matter. In such a case the vanagon would achieve and
> > be able to comply
> > > with
> > > >SULEV vehicle status, but because of the stock transmission
> > carryover> >requirement, it makes it all for not. Lot's of CA
> > guys would love an
> > > SULEV
> > > >vanagon with more power, we've lost more than a dozen sales already
> > > because
> > > >of these arbitrary restraints.
> > > >
> > > >Tuner cars are legal so long as the aftermarket equipment has an
> > > executive
> > > >order from the CARB. A turbo kit for a honda may well have an
> > EO, as all
> > > >they need to do is apply and then go through a round of
> > testing to show
> > > that
> > > >it does not adversly affect emissions beyond applicable
> > limits. CARB has
> > > >issued Eos to conversions as well, but is now taking the
> > stance that it
> > > is a
> > > >BAR matter, and despite our submission of a full application
> > and our
> > > >readiness to do the lab testing, refuses to go any further
> > with us
> > > because
> > > >it is much easier to say no to a company of 3 guys with no
> > lawyers and no
> > > >resources to disrupt their bureacratic iso-chamber. And BAR
> > as you recall
> > > >says no tranny, no swappy, so we can only convert folks
> > registered in
> > > zone
> > > >3(rural) in CA.
> > > >
> > > >Absolutely air quality has improved everywhere... But imagine
> > what it
> > > would
> > > >be like if it was done well.
> > > >
> > > >Jim Akiba
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Jeffrey Schwaia [mailto:jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM]
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:40 PM
> > > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > >Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> > > >
> > > >Yep. California is a little pyscho when it comes to their
> > emissions> laws.
> > > >
> > > >Engine swaps are okay, but only if you take everything
> > emissions related
> > > >from the donor vehicle and put it in the swap vehicle.
> > That's why late
> > > >model engines that are OBD-II are nearly impossible to put in
> > a Vanagon
> > > >(sorry Bostig). Oh yeah... the donor engine must be the same
> > year or
> > > newer
> > > >than the swap vehicle, and the swap vehicle must then meet
> > the emission
> > > >standards for the donor engine.
> > > >
> > > >"Tuner Cars"??? Forget it.
> > > >
> > > >A lot of the tuner folk, and street racers, will swap their
> > old engines
> > > (or
> > > >parts) back in every two years to pass the emissions test.
> > > >
> > > >I know it's stupid and could be handled much better, but I
> > will concede
> > > that
> > > >California's air quality has improved greatly in the last 20 years.
> > > >
> > > >Kanpai,
> > > >
> > > >Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Vanagon Mailing List
> > [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf Of
> > > >Benny boy
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:01 PM
> > > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > >Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Ok, so let say i have a modified car (engine wise), lets say
> > a Honda
> > > Civic
> > > >SI Tuner... now with a Turbo, Frankinstein engine, improved
> > FI, maped
> > > ECU...
> > > >modified exhaust? i have to put back a stock engine every 2 yers!
> > > >
> > > >Or, lets take a Ford Mustang with a modified engine with...
> > just for fun,
> > > >let say 8 carbs! something like that!!!!
> > > >
> > > >What you guys are telling me is that NO "tuner" style car are
> > allowed in
> > > CA?
> > > >
> > > >I understand an engine swap with everything that belong to
> > this engine is
> > > >kind of ok, but no crasy Nitro modification... at least at
> > the time of
> > > the
> > > >test!
> > > >
> > > >What i find bit crasy about that is an "offset" (not well
> > tune) economic
> > > >4cyl Honda may fail that test but a big Hummer in shape will
> > pass!!! tell
> > > me
> > > >what is the logic in that!!!!!!!!!!! when i travel in the US,
> > you guys
> > > are
> > > >scaring me with your big SUV/cars.... Navigator style
> > monster.... where
> > > not
> > > >to get close to the Kyoto Protocol with those big big big
> > vehicles!!!!!> >think big :-))))
> > > >
> > > >Ben
> > >
> >