Be careful what you wish for... this is the kind of test we're required to
do when we certify an import for the EPA.  It's called a bag test, and here
in lovely California it costs about $2,200 per test.  No pass?  Another
$2,200 for the 2nd test.

If the import is destined for a state other than California, the test is
"only" $1,200...

Cheers,

Jeff
www.autostadtwest.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
Of Raymond Paquette
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:06 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: California law (smog)

I've always thought that a smog test should measure TOTAL emissions instead
of parts per million.  As it is your Hummer may well pass the smog test
while emitting more than a smaller vehicle, simply because the total exhaust
volume is higher.

Raymond

On 2/1/07, Joseph Fortino <fortino1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I feel its all about Money not air..  bottom line is they want you to buy
> a new car
> plain and simple i feel..   ok HUMMER?? what a useless car.. lol what will
> it be like
> for them on 25 years smog'n that crap?? hehe
>
> Peace,
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Jim Akiba <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM>
> >Sent: Feb 1, 2007 6:29 AM
> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> >
> >Well here's where it gets even more complex.  Actually we could easily
> put
> >all of the emissions gear into the vanagon, the stock cat, the
> differential
> >pressure sense EGR, the evaporative emissions system and leakdown gear,
> the
> >canister and purge gear, and have all readiness codes set. It doesn't
> >matter. In such a case the vanagon would achieve and be able to comply
> with
> >SULEV vehicle status, but because of the stock transmission carryover
> >requirement, it makes it all for not. Lot's of CA guys would love an
> SULEV
> >vanagon with more power, we've lost more than a dozen sales already
> because
> >of these arbitrary restraints.
> >
> >Tuner cars are legal so long as the aftermarket equipment has an
> executive
> >order from the CARB. A turbo kit for a honda may well have an EO, as all
> >they need to do is apply and then go through a round of testing to show
> that
> >it does not adversly affect emissions beyond applicable limits. CARB has
> >issued Eos to conversions as well, but is now taking the stance that it
> is a
> >BAR matter, and despite our submission of a full application and our
> >readiness to do the lab testing, refuses to go any further with us
> because
> >it is much easier to say no to a company of 3 guys with no lawyers and no
> >resources to disrupt their bureacratic iso-chamber. And BAR as you recall
> >says no tranny, no swappy,  so we can only convert folks registered in
> zone
> >3(rural) in CA.
> >
> >Absolutely air quality has improved everywhere... But imagine what it
> would
> >be like if it was done well.
> >
> >Jim Akiba
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeffrey Schwaia [mailto:jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:40 PM
> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> >
> >Yep.  California is a little pyscho when it comes to their emissions
> laws.
> >
> >Engine swaps are okay, but only if you take everything emissions related
> >from the donor vehicle and put it in the swap vehicle.  That's why late
> >model engines that are OBD-II are nearly impossible to put in a Vanagon
> >(sorry Bostig).  Oh yeah... the donor engine must be the same year or
> newer
> >than the swap vehicle, and the swap vehicle must then meet the emission
> >standards for the donor engine.
> >
> >"Tuner Cars"???  Forget it.
> >
> >A lot of the tuner folk, and street racers, will swap their old engines
> (or
> >parts) back in every two years to pass the emissions test.
> >
> >I know it's stupid and could be handled much better, but I will concede
> that
> >California's air quality has improved greatly in the last 20 years.
> >
> >Kanpai,
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf Of
> >Benny boy
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:01 PM
> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> >
> >
> >Ok, so let say i have a modified car (engine wise), lets say a Honda
> Civic
> >SI Tuner... now with a Turbo, Frankinstein engine, improved FI, maped
> ECU...
> >modified exhaust? i have to put back a stock engine every 2 yers!
> >
> >Or, lets take a Ford Mustang with a modified engine with... just for fun,
> >let say 8 carbs! something like that!!!!
> >
> >What you guys are telling me is that NO "tuner" style car are allowed in
> CA?
> >
> >I understand an engine swap with everything that belong to this engine is
> >kind of ok, but no crasy Nitro modification... at least at the time of
> the
> >test!
> >
> >What i find  bit crasy about that is an "offset" (not well tune) economic
> >4cyl Honda may fail that test but a big Hummer in shape will pass!!! tell
> me
> >what is the logic in that!!!!!!!!!!! when i travel in the US, you guys
> are
> >scaring me with your big SUV/cars.... Navigator style monster.... where
> not
> >to get close to the Kyoto Protocol with those big big big vehicles!!!!!
> >think big :-))))
> >
> >Ben
>