

| Subject: | Re: Need input on radiator problem |
| From: | Ben |
| Date: | Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:51:12 -0500 |
Ken, even if your post is VERY intersting and constructive, the lady is stuck deep south in Mexico, but still, i agree, a pressure test is ONE good way to pinpoint cooling problem. I have 2 in the shop, one is a genuine VW tools, the other one is new with a universal adapter (i will post picture... one day), i also have infrared gun'S, but i like my hand better. I'm found of finding simple ways/tool to fix problem, on the road, it's always handy! http://www.benplace.com/pressure_test.htm http://www.benplace.com/front_radiator.htm I have a new section coming about troubble shoothing fuel pressure probleme without tools.... one day, if i can finish that ?*?%(*"%?/!?!/"?%*&&(*) tornado red van, i'm NEVER, NEVER changing color in my life again..... Sanding...Sanding...Sanding...Sanding...Sanding...Sanding...Sanding...Sanding...Sanding...Sanding...Sanding... I'm finish now with sanding, it's cleaning time, priming time tomorrow.... it will be RED this weekend. Ben Kenneth Wilford wrote: >Ben, > >Sorry I got into this discussion late but I didn't see it until this >morning. > >Tools: > >A great tool that I love to use whenever I work on the Vanagon cooling >system is a coolant system pressure tester. I bought mine at Sears and had >to modify it a little to get it to work on the Vanagon even though it said >it would work on VWs and had an adapter for that purpose. Whenever I am >doing anything related to the cooling system (head gasket replacement, hose >replacement, someone comes in complaining about a leak, etc.) I use this >tool to check the system to see if it will hold pressure. The Bentley talks >about using such a tool and it is worth it's weight in gold to me. I >pressurize the system to around 15 psi and then let it sit. Usually it >doesn't take long. The last customer that was in here had over 8 leaks! I >kept fixing them and new ones kept popping up. His cap wasn't holding any >pressure either and this was making it not leak like a seive (which is what >is was doing when I pressurized the system) but it also lowers your boiling >point in the system and can cause you to have a vapor lock because your >coolant is vaporizing at too low of a temperature. > >So check that the system holds pressure, repair any leaks, definitely check >the pressure cap on the expansion tank because all of the black ones I get >in here are bad (and many of the blue ones too). > >The other tool that is a must is the infrared heat gun. You can point it at >any hose and see what the temperature is in real time in both F and C. >Again this is something you can buy at Sears or a much cheaper version at >Harbor Freight. My Sears one is still going strong after several years. >Again the Bentley gives you a proceedure for checking temps with a primitive >looking thermometer. > >Problems I've seen: > >I have had the pressure cap cause one couples van to overheat at highway >speeds on them. It was allowing the coolant to vaporize and then the system >would go into vapor lock (no flow). New cap and the coolant system was good >to go. > >Had another one with the bad radiator. Seems like if they are marginal they >do worse after the van is warmed up and then brought back to idle. I think >at the higher rpm the water pump is circulating more coolant through the >crappy radiator and it is working enough to keep things cool. But when you >come back to idle the temperature keeps creeping up because now you have the >pump turning at a lower speed, and the radiator is like someone with clogged >arteries. On the 2.1l engine there is a hose that goes from the coolant >distributor over the top of the transimssion bellhousing and then to the >thermostat housing. This acts as a bypass of the radiator during warm up to >help the engine to heat up faster. When the radiator is clogged this hose >continues to bypass the radiator after the thermostat opens and the engine >gets hotter and hotter because the coolant isn't even going up there. >Eventually the radiator will get warm by convection but by then the engine >is super hot. > >I hope this gives you some ideas to work with. I hope your lady can get >back on the road again. > > > > >Thanks, >Ken Wilford >John 3:16 >http://www.vanagain.com >http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com >http://www.eurovan.org >http://www.vwcabrio.org >Phone: (856)-327-4936 >Fax: (856)-327-2242 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of >Ben >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:56 AM >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >Subject: Re: Need input on radiator problem > > >Words from the 2 mechanic down there: We are familiar with overheating >problems, it's always hot here!!! > >See my last post on fitting rad there > >It's a 20 years old VW, you NEED to think OUTISDE the box! > >It's a long saga, sorry for those who have to read that, but in a way, i >think it's interesting, this can happen to one of us! > >Ben > >Jake de Villiers wrote: > > > >>Ben, if she just needs to get going, she could wire a replacement rad >>to the front bumper and bypass the original. >> >>It wouldn't be particularly elegant, and the fan would take some >>creativity, but it would sure cool the engine on the way to a place >>with a proper rad. >> >>Just thinking outside (literally!) the box. >> >>Jake >> >>On 2/7/07, Benny boy <huotb@videotron.ca <mailto:huotb@videotron.ca>> >>wrote: >> >> First, thanks to everyone! i have red every post, here on on >>p-mail. >> >> Why do i care, because i do! this is not Ben the mechanic but >> simple the >> westy guy! I call that the Westy spirit. You all know that i >> perfectly know >> the cooling system, i have made that section of the van one of my >> specialty. >> so i'm here sitting in the cold and i can do nothing! >> She is a GREAT lady, at 62yo, i can only say BRAVO! On the phone, >> i could >> fell her fear for the worse... as she is stuck in a very small >> village far >> enough from any big town. She is not alone, she is travelling with >> a friend, >> a big guy! And yes, you guys don't know me, i'm crasy enough to >> take the >> plane and go there.... I may sound a bit rough here (on the list) >> sometime >> but i have a very big heart, to big. >> >> >> I now agree on a few things, the pump went bad, i yes, that >> happen, she is >> gonna check today if it's leaking from the hole (all bad-new pump >> i have >> seen were leaking), BUT, a pump going bad quick can also happen >> when the >> Alternator is "shaking" (unbalance, broken bracket...), but, she >> is running >> on a modified braket that i made for her! >> >> the rad is bad (my choice for now) >> >> Loose head due to stud failure. >> >> I made her a list of "how to" check everything, they are working >> on it as i >> write. >> >> I will keep you up to date... i have to think of a way of fixing >> that rad! >> >> Ben >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Jake >>1984 Vanagon GL >>1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie" >>www.crescentbeachguitar.com <http://www.crescentbeachguitar.com> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>- >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: >>2007-02-06 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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