

| Subject: | Re: Alternative Vanagon heaters - Zodi's, Tankless Water Heaters |
| From: | Robert Keezer |
| Date: | Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:49:10 -0800 |
There are some automotive designed water jacket heaters made by Ebespacher and Webasto that use the existing engine cooling system to produce heat . Since running the vehicle's engine wastes energy, a more efficient way is to add one of these heaters . The Webasto version is called the BBW 46 and was fitted to Canadian and European versions. Gary Lee has some pictures and info here: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gary2a/rack/bbw46/BBW46.htm The Bentley Shop manual shows this alos on page 82.20-23. The Eberspacher (Espar) versions are called Hydronic : http://www.espar.com/htm/Specs/water/wterheat.htm Robert 1982 Westfalia --- Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote: > 1.5 amps at 120 volts will need at least 15 > amps at 12. 1.5 amps X 120 volts is 180 watts. > This will give you about 565 BTU's/hour of > heat. Why? > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jake de Villiers > Date: Friday, March 2, 2007 3:25 pm > Subject: Re: Alternative Vanagon heaters - > Zodi's, Tankless Water Heaters > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > I just spent the morning laying out and > connecting a Watts Sun > > Touch heat > > mat. > > > > This is very low amperage radiant in-floor > heating. I'm putting > > it under > > tile, but it is spec'd for engineered > flooring too. > > I see that the 4'0" x 2'6" 120 volt mat draws > only 1.5 amps. > > > > Would that be low enough to work off an > inverter? > > > > Jake > > > > On 3/2/07, Tom Buese wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:17 AM, John Rodgers > wrote: > > > > > > > The tankless hotwater heater thread > prompted my thoughts on > > > > alternative > > > > heat for the inside of the van when > camping etc. > > > > > > > > Would not a circulating fan mounted > behind a finned heat coil > > > > INSIDE the > > > > van - supplied with hot water from a > source OUTSIDE the van - > > when > > > > camping eliminate a lot of problems > related to other than > > under the > > > > seat > > > > gas or diesel fired heaters? No fumes, no > CO, no CO2, no water > > > > vapor to > > > > condense inside, etc. Just dry heat > coming off the coil. > > > > > > Hmmm, or radiant heat thru heat fin tubes > or continuous tubes > > in the > > > floor of the vanagon? grin > > > > > > > > The tankless water heater thread reminded > me of having seen > > something> > like what I described mounted in > a school bus in > > Alaska up near > > > > Fairbanks that had been converted into a > camper. It worked mighty > > > > slick. > > > > The owner of the bus had plumbed it with > copper tubing, > > installed heat > > > > coils and thermostatically controlled > fans, DC circulating > > pumps, and > > > > shutoff valves and quick disconnects at > the point where the > > plumbing> > entered and left the bus. System > was filled with > > water and antifreeze. > > > > Outside was a drum fitted with a coil of > copper tubing down > > inside and > > > > the drum was filled with water with some > antifreeze in it. > > The drum > > > > was > > > > up on a steel frame with a half-drum wood > stove underneath. > > Wood of > > > > course was the fuel for this contraption. > It worked well. > > Was not > > > > extremely portable, but it could be > broken down and moved if > > needed.> > > > > > Would not the principles applied in the > school bus camper > > be a viable > > > > and safe-for-sleeping-in-cold-weather > alternative to the underseat > > > > heaters, catalytic heaters, etc, that are > often used in the > > Vanagons?> > > > I have a building under construction now > that is using ground source > > > heat pumps connected to 2 large wells (240' > each deep)in the ground > > > that extract the water from 1 well, run it > thru the heat pumps to > > > heat or cool heat coils/exchangers which > provide heated or cooled > > > air, then the water is injected back into > the ground w/ the > > 2nd well. > > > Very energy efficient. Not cheap on the > front end, but pays for > > > itself over 5-8 years+-. My explanation > might be a little > > > simplistic, as I am only the architect, & I > rely on my mechanical > > > engineers to actually make these things > work, but you are > > going to > > > see more & more of these alternative > systems. > > > > > > Now if you can just bring this whole system > along w/ you, > > voila, your > > > have nice AC? > > > > > > Tom B. > > > > > > > > Opinions, ideas, and suggestions, > anyone??? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > John Rodgers > > > > 88 GL Driver > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jake > > 1984 Vanagon GL > > 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie" > > www.crescentbeachguitar.com > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
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