Right on. I remember that during a past energy crisis in the
seventies, when I was driving a loaf 7-passenger, that vehicle got
very high praise in a magazine article (whole Earth Catalog? Anybody
remember that?) as having a very high passenger mile ratio. That was
the name for it back then, passenger miles. People just aren't
thinking that way anymore, apparently. HOV lane qualification means
two, where I can recall.

Thanks for reminding me of one more good thing about Vanagons.

Jim

On Mar 14, 2007, at 4:48 PM, kenwilfy@comcast.net wrote:

> One other factor to consider is the amount of people you are
> carrying in your van.  We typically carry 6 people.  Say your
> Vanagon gets 16 mpg.  16x6 would be 96.  If you owned a toyota
> prius, got 40 mpg and only carted two people you are talking about
> 80.  So in that case the Vanagon is being more efficient.  That is
> why Buses and Trains (not really fuel efficient at all if you just
> look at mpg) are considered green ways to travel because you split
> the crappy mpg between 50 people on a bus or hundreds of people on
> a train.  So I say keep your van on the road.  And when you pass
> someone in a hybrid just wave and say to yourself, "Nanny, nanny,
> noo, noo, I am greener than you, you!"  I'm glad there isn't a law
> against being immature (yet)!
>
> Ken Wilford
> John 3:16
> www.vanagain.com
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
>
> > When you do, be sure you include the cost of manufacturing all the
> > parts of that new vehicle compared to the "already paid for
> > carbonwise Vanagon," which can be said for all existing cars kept on
> > the road to displace the creation of new ones...
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On Mar 14, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Tom Buese wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Joy Hecht wrote:
> > >
> > >> Haven't noticed any flaming but yours, Robert! I have no
> interest in
> > >> starting a discussion about global warming here.
> > >
> > > Has anyone calculated the carbon footprint of our beloved
> vanagons &
> > > compared it to a newer more energy efficient vehicle?
> > >
> > > Just cur ious,
> > >
> > > Tom B.-talking about overheating
> > >
> > >> If you want to show
> > >> support, great. If not, fine. The events are the same weekend as
> > >> Every
> > >> Bus, which I don't want to miss just for a demonstration - hence
> > >> the post
> > >> here.
> > >>
> > >> As my mother would say, yes please or no thank you will do
> very well.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Joy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> :::-----Original Message-----
> > >> :::From: Vanagon Mailing List
> [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > >> Behalf
> > >> :::Of Robert Keezer
> > >> :::Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:47 AM
> > >> :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >> :::Subject: Re: going to Everybus? Concerned about global
> warming?
> > >> :::
> > >> :: :Jeff Lincoln wrote:
> > >> :::
> > >> :::"50 years ago smoking wasn't a health risk, but
> > >> :::now we know it is."
> > >> :::
> > >> :::I have a 1952 Life Magazine with an article about
> > >> :::how doctors were claiming cigarettes were the
> > >> :::cause of cancer.
> > >> :::
> > >> :::As far as global warming goes this science is
> > >> :::exactly why I am subscribed to the Vanagon list.
> > >