

| Subject: | Re: oil pressure -- next round |
| From: | Dennis Haynes |
| Date: | Thu, 17 May 2007 17:10:16 -0400 |
Maybe Boston Bob can chime in here. It sounds to me like the case needed an align bore and the rods needed to be resized. Dennis >From: Thomas Pfrommer <pfrommer@PHAS.UBC.CA> >Reply-To: Thomas Pfrommer <pfrommer@PHAS.UBC.CA> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >Subject: Re: oil pressure -- next round >Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:04:03 -0700 > >Hi Dennis, >I was using 20W50. >Yes O had new gears and a new pump housing in, but the old cover, which >i will replace now. I know that I am almost above the pressure, and this >is OK. However that was measured without load. I did try it without the >pressure gauge before and had it run for more than half an hour. No >buzzer. Ok Lets go on a small trip (a couple of hundred meters). As soon >as i was outside, the buzzer went on. >So It is really something wrong when the engine gets hot. I will check >the housing for wear but I ordered it from busdepot just before >reassembly, and the engine run in total after reassembly not more than >say 1.5 hours. The scratches though are weird. I did sand the cover down >and now there are clear scratches again. Perhaps I am sucking air and >not oil, as David suggested. Hm Will see. >I am not sure about the loose mains, I brought it to a shop with good >reputation to to the job and they ordered the bearings for me. Also I do >not have a cam bearing left around, so I doubt I forgot one. They were >new as well. I did the valve adjustment as written down in the Bentley, >but for the two cam followers (see my reply from 11:41 PDT last night >why two were different), it was a bit hard as they were not completely >filled with oil, hence i could not feel the exact point when to start >counting the 1 3/4 turns. Could these two followers (actually the valve >adjustment) cause such a pressure drop? Hm will check again when the >engine is filled with oil .... >But first i will check all other stuff once it is open .... > >Thanks a lot >Thomas > > > >Dennis Haynes wrote: >>What viscosity oil are you using? This may have been mentioned but >>remind me. >>I doubt you have a blockage. The lenght of hose going to the guage >>will not efect the reading unless you are actually flowing oil. It may >>delay the reading but the final pressure reading is good. >>Scratches in the oil cover is common. Dirt. Was it a new pump and >>housing? You can check the housing for wear with a striaght edge and >>feeler guages. The Bentley has the specs. >> >>12.5 psi is almost .9 bar. While not quite the pressure that should be >>there you are clsoe to satifying the switch, (.9 Bar). If you can get >>maintain 2 bar, (28 psi) at 4,000 rpm, you should be safe to run. >>These pressures are an indication of loose mains or out of round rods >>or a missing/bad cam bearing shell. Also, how are the vlaves adjusted? >>If you set the lifters with clearance, you will have some excess flow >>there. They should be tight, ( touching + 1-2 turns) so that all oil >>flowing through has to get forced through the rockers. >> >>Dennis >> >>>From: Thomas Pfrommer <pfrommer@PHAS.UBC.CA> >>>Reply-To: Thomas Pfrommer <pfrommer@PHAS.UBC.CA> >>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>Subject: oil pressure -- next round >>>Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:03:22 -0700 >>> >>>Hi again, >>>OK I am in bad luck i guess ..... >>>after I measured the pressure (I posted the readings a few days ago) I >>>realized its really oil pressure and not electronics or other stuff. OK >>>got the muffler off, got the tin sheet off (I really hate this f!@#$% >>>sheet), and the engine support bracket. Unfortunately, the water pipe >>>did not allow to unscrew the upper nuts completely, so in the end I had >>>to get the pulley off and then the water pipe. >>> >>>I did not make any mistakes with the gaskets. Everything as it is >>>supposed to be. BUT I do see quite obvious new scratches in the cover. >>>Together with the bit of oil that I saw at the pump after I ran the >>>engine a bit, it looks like I have some backpressure and a blockage >>>somewhere. Any other ideas? Hm in cold run I got 55psi at 1000rpm. Only >>>when it warmed up, I had 12.5psi at 2000rpm (and 3 meters of tubing >>>before the gauge, which will drop the pressure a bit, but not that much >>>I guess). Also that was still beofer the fan of the radiator went on, >>>but the engine was quite hot already. >>> >>>I have to admit I don't know what to do any more. I just don't want to >>>open the beast again ..... I checked all oil gallys with an air pump and >>>felt air coming equally out of every opening. I could not sense any >>>obstacle sitting somewhere. Also the indication of the new scratches on >>>the cover rather show some backpressure than too loose bearings or >>>similar. I sanded the old cover flat before I put it on (now I have a >>>new cover ready to be put on). Also the scratches show that all areas >>>are equally scratched, so i did not flatten it at an angle. >>> >>>Hope someone can help me. Oh man, I hope i could drive around now, and >>>now it seems that all effort wasn't worth it (besides the gain in >>>knowledge about these engines ...) >>> >>>I need rum now >>>Cheers >>>Thomas >> >>
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