On Jun 6, 2007, at 10:37 AM, neil wrote:

> Oh ok, I see the idea now. I thought the idea discussed by you, Mike
> E. et al, was an actual box.

In the words of famous German Architect, Mies Van De Rohe, "Less is
more".
>
> Good one!
>
> I may make one. And as a thought on those lines.....
>
> Would a lip at front (facing rear of van) on shelf be over kill?

Harder time to get shelf to fit to poptop ceiling when closed, bugger
flocking
>
> How about an arm or some such on each side that would flip up and
> connect to strut(s) to secure shelf from tipping?

Yes
>
> I saw the bungees though so obviousy you alreay have found a way to
> secure shelf from tipping.

Don't need bungees w/ socket tightened U bolts, distributed weight on
cantilevered shelf
>
> Good use of space!

Mr. Squirrel  has more ideas for hanging things from bottom of shelf,
etc.

Tom B.- or "more is better" depending on your viewpoint