I have been meaning to mention this to you Mike S.

It is logically consistent to hold both statements: "Usually ships in
1-3 days" and "delivery in 7-10 days."

"Usually ships in 1-3 days" can mean the vendor will ship the order
out in 1-3 days, which then can be delivered to you in 7-10 days.

That's all.

Jim

On 6/25/07, Mike S <mikes@flatsurface.com> wrote:
> At 05:21 PM 6/25/2007, Geza Polony wrote...
> >Do we really need this? Seems to me the online vendors that get
> >trashed here
> >periodically don't deserve it,
>
> You obviously didn't notice, but that sub-thread started when one of
> those vendors began trashing another (based on exactly zero direct
> experience). "Don't deserve it" implies that the criticism is untrue.
> Are you calling me a liar?
>
> >If we were talking about fraudulent enterprises, ok, but that isn't
> >the case.
>
> But, it _is_ the case.
>
> When a vendor sells by telling the customer something they don't
> deliver, that's fraud. Bus Depot entices people to purchase by saying
> "Usually ships in 1-3 days," but when that doesn't happen, wants to say
> that those words have no meaning - they really mean "delivery in 7-10
> days." Want to take bets on whether they would assume responsibility if
> UPS had delayed delivery?
>
> When a vendor makes specific and direct promises which it doesn't keep,
> that's fraud. When I talked to them on the telephone about my still
> unshipped order, I was specifically told it would ship that same day.
> It didn't.
>
> When a vendor defends themselves with statements which are untrue,
> that's fraud. When they do so in a public forum, they're deceiving not
> just a single customer, but everyone on the forum. Ron said: "I'll have
> to look up your order details and email you directly on Monday." I've
> not heard a thing, and it's now well after normal business hours.
> That's fraud, and is deliberately misleading others who read this list.
>
> >  They don't do that, and we shouldn't either.
>
> But they _do_ do the same thing.
>
> Strange how Ron was willing to trash another vendor on the list, defend
> his business on the list, and at the same time say "it's best handled
> directly, really; no need to copy it to 1000 people." I've never seen
> him say that compliments are better sent direct rather than be posted
> to the list, and have seen him hype his products here over those of
> other vendors.
>
> Here's hoping you get ripped off without warning, your attitude might
> change.
>