Whoa ...

Lets be a bit kind to one another here ....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike S" <mikes@FLATSURFACE.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: What is it with the US? (No real van content)

> At 03:31 PM 6/26/2007, Karl Mullendore wrote...
>>Who the hell is talking about corn? Biodiesel production does not use
>>corn oil. Now this on top of what I said earlier?
>>
>>"Corn ethanol is one of the worst ways to produce ethanol, not only in
>>yield but in production costs."
>>
>>PLEASE, READ what is written before blindly responding.
>
> Only if you do the same. Again, no authoritative citations to support
> your claims.
>
> The ethanol paper and article was cited primarily to meet your
> objection - that some studies found net energy gains. The citation
> specifically addressed that - "Patzek said that studies showing energy
> gain do not take into account the amount of energy stored in the corn."
> The paper gave an idea of the scale of that accounting.
>
> The ethanol/biodiesel paper which I earlier cited was from the same
> author, based on the same methodology, and reached a similar conclusion
> for biodiesel in addition to ethanol. The earlier ethanol only paper
> had the advantage of being freely downloadable. If you want a link to
> the ethanol/biodiesel paper, I can give you one, but it costs $ (it's
> from a Springer published journal).
>
> On the other hand, if you just want to continue throwing out red
> herrings, we're done here.