Truly a non-pleasant "sounding" and certainly off-putting note.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Mullendore" <groups@WESTYVENTURES.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: What is it with the US? (No real van content)

> If you refuse to research the validity of this 'study' and then say
> automatically that another is invalid because 'yours' has numbers you
> want to believe, then that's your choice. Google is a great search tool,
> as are others, look up a few other studies and do some reading before
> acting like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Your
> anti-alternative fuel stance is getting rather tiresome.
>
> Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open. Yes, we are
> done, good bye. Don't bother writing, you're now in the trashcan.
>
> Karl
>
> Mike S wrote:
>> At 03:31 PM 6/26/2007, Karl Mullendore wrote...
>>> Who the hell is talking about corn? Biodiesel production does not use
>>> corn oil. Now this on top of what I said earlier?
>>>
>>> "Corn ethanol is one of the worst ways to produce ethanol, not only in
>>> yield but in production costs."
>>>
>>> PLEASE, READ what is written before blindly responding.
>>
>> Only if you do the same. Again, no authoritative citations to support
>> your claims.
>>
>> The ethanol paper and article was cited primarily to meet your objection
>> - that some studies found net energy gains. The citation specifically
>> addressed that - "Patzek said that studies showing energy gain do not
>> take into account the amount of energy stored in the corn." The paper
>> gave an idea of the scale of that accounting.
>>
>> The ethanol/biodiesel paper which I earlier cited was from the same
>> author, based on the same methodology, and reached a similar conclusion
>> for biodiesel in addition to ethanol. The earlier ethanol only paper had
>> the advantage of being freely downloadable. If you want a link to the
>> ethanol/biodiesel paper, I can give you one, but it costs $ (it's from a
>> Springer published journal).
>>
>> On the other hand, if you just want to continue throwing out red
>> herrings, we're done here.
>>
>>