I vote to elect Zoltan to be King of Vanagon.

Robert
1982 Westfalia

--- Zoltan <zolo@FOXINTERNET.NET> wrote:

> Our "Democratically Elected Dictatorship" will
> do whatever they feel like
> without asking or caring about the ones who
> elected them.  They can steel,
> lie, cheat, promise falsly, pass laws and rules
> and regulations unfavorably,
> and they even want to be reelected, while we
> have no chance to get them out
> for many years.  It is a form of democracy, but
> not the one we should have
> in our times.  It was what we had to accept
> when distances were great,
> communications were slow, could not reach most
> people at once as we can now.
> Today, it is outdated and the time of "Direct
> Democracy" is in and the thing
> that should have been already in practice.
> Kings don't want to be
> dismounted.  So, we will have to deal with
> these local little kings until
> the system of the direct democracy is applied.
> Look it up in the dictionary.
> Vanagon content?  Well, here on the list we are
> having direct democracy.
> Members are all reached at once, can vote or
> deal with problems all
> together, they all get the emails, only they
> don't interfere with the
> inputs, some only send in a message a year, but
> read all every day.  See?
> Everybody is involved and can make decisions if
> asked.  If we would want
> them all to send a short message just to know
> that they are there, we would
> be surprised of all the hundreds of emails that
> day.  The silent majority is
> there and are with us every day, and feeding
> off our good messages all the
> time.  Those who ask questions, ask in
> everybody's name.  We all experience
> the same problems now or later or before.
>
> When I see someone put his/her hand on a Bible
> and makes a promise, to me it
> means that he can do a lot of bad things
> without us being able to fend them
> off.  It means, no accountability.  Trust, good
> character, and such noble
> traits are not around when money is involved.
> Mostly.
> The folks on this list are doing a noble deed.
> By choice.  Our benefit is
> each other's company and all the good advice we
> get daily.
> Thanks for this genuine trustable group, who
> are all friends without shaking
> hands.
> Zoltan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pensioner" <al_knoll@PACBELL.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:18 PM
> Subject: Can't see the forest for the fees?
>
>
> > Our esteemed governator is spelt Ahnold like
> he pronounces it.  But don't
> > get me started on rocks and locks.
> >
> > Is this an Whoregon policy only?  State
> stuff? or is it the Feds agin?
> > There was a NF fee system being tried out
> some years (3) ago wonder if
> > it's
> > the same thing.  I'll check.  I noticed that
> my parking was free with my
> > "geezer pass" and my campsite fees were half
> off.  Only 10bux for the pass
> > with proper credentials (62 years on the
> clock) and it's lifetime deal.
> >
> > Do YOU qualify?  Go gitchaself one!  Best ten
> bux you'll spend in the next
> > fifty years or so.  Have em put it in your
> coffin or pyre when you depart
> > (non transferable).  At least get a parks
> pass now $80 BUX egad! but good
> > for a year.  Thats only four visits to
> Yosemite, Jellystone and others.
> >
> > http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mbs/passes/
> >
> http://www.fs.fed.us/passespermits/senior.shtml
> >
>
http://www.fs.fed.us/passespermits/about-rec-fees.shtml#standard
> >
> > The 'geezer pass' is the old Golden Age
> passport.  Now extinct.  However I
> > have one squirreled away in Bessie the
> Charolais Camper (Syncro SVX) (RVC)
> > and use it often.  For twenty years I bought
> Golden Eagle passes every
> > year,
> > thought the advantages far outweighed the
> original $20 cost when it
> > brought
> > FREE not half-off camping.  No 'parking' fees
> or 'day use fees' for
> > ordinary
> > places then.  Sadly all gone by.  Now we
> support mumblers with tea towels
> > who take August off for $10B a month while
> the west is on fire and USFS
> > (branch of Department of Agriculture) goes
> beggin' for qualified personnel
> > and capital equipment like fire trucks,
> slurry bombers, caterpillars,
> > water
> > trucks, chain saws, helicopters...Dude!
> Where's my Country?
> >
> > BLM 'this land is your land'  no longer fee
> free either.
> >
> > Al
> >
> > NF dispersed camper, ruffledgrouch,
> G.O.M.E.R, MAAGie RVN-Laos 61-63,
> > viejo
> > pescador jubilado, Proud Geezer Pass User.
> etc etc.
> >
> >
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> >
>

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