nice job! wish i had your tenacity.

If I have unjustly wrested a plank from a drowning man, I must restore
it to
him though I drown myself. - henry thoreau

On 22 Jul 2007, , at 12:01, Anthony Kimmons wrote:

> Just wanted to express my sincere THANKS to all that responded to my
> problems with my 87 GL Vanagon. I was finally able to get her going
> with the help of list geniuses!
> Several suggestions were given that I would not have thought of on my
> own. I owe you guys...THANKS!!!
>
> Turned out the fuel pump that I had bought several years ago and never
> really used (the van has been sitting for several years) was frozen,
> but fortunately I have a habit of keeping around old parts that aren't
> completely worn out. The previous fuel pump was still in my garage and
> worked fine. I did have to suction the fuel from the "tee" fitting in
> the engine compartment and to do that I did need to put suction on the
> line as well as turn on the ignition to get the pump and fuel going.
> The lines had completely dried out and needed to be primed.
>
> I had just finished rebuilding the engine of this van about 5 years
> ago and then tore my bicep, so I had to  stop working on it for
> awhile. It feels great to get back into things finally and see her
> running again. Can't wait to get her out on the road!! Been getting
> tired of being one of those on the list who is always fixin' my van
> instead of being out on the roads enjoying it!
>
> Not saying that the van is running great though. It's pretty rough
> after so many years just standing. There's lots more work to do.
> Temperature light is on constant (thinking that's the blue temp sensor
> connectors). There is some smoke / fumes coming up from the exhaust
> and several rattles that need to be addressed, but I'm feeling like I
> can get there now at least. She's holding an idle so I'm happy with
> that!
>
>
>
> On 7/21/07, Zoltan <zolo@foxinternet.net> wrote:
>> Try to start the pump the same time.  When gas comes, pinch it there
>> and
>> stop the process.  Pinch it behind the pump to stop it from going
>> back too.
>> Now, reconnect the original gas line and there will be gas in the
>> system.
>> Z
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anthony Kimmons" <akimmons@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: 87 still not starting, need fuel pump advice
>>
>>
>> > Ok, I suctioned the larger line coming from the tank and got fuel
>> > without a problem.
>> > So, I figured that I'd reconnect the fuel pump and suction from the
>> > back of the van.
>> > I put a small hand vacuum pump on the line that comes into the tee
>> > (where you can check the pressure), but could get no gas out of
>> there.
>> > It was actually able to hold a vacume! Thinking that there must be
>> > something clogging the fuel pump or the line? The filter is new.
>> > Feeling like I'm closing in on it though finally...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/21/07, David Kao <dtkao0205@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> It's called priming the pump. Zoltan, you made an excellent point.
>> >> Oil pump needs to have oil in it in order to pump. Same reason.
>> >> THe fuel pump need to have gas in it initially in order to pump
>> gas.
>> >> I think you have nailed the problem for Anthonany.
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >> --- Zoltan <zolo@FOXINTERNET.NET> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > You say, you have the pump working for that few seconds when you
>> are
>> >> > turning
>> >> > the key on.
>> >> > The pump works.
>> >> > And you cleaned and changed things.
>> >> > But it was standing for a long time.
>> >> >
>> >> > It is possible, that you have some cavitation in your pump and
>> need to
>> >> > pull
>> >> > the fuel through first to make it pump with force.  You can
>> disconnect
>> >> > the
>> >> > hose on the firewall, install one that is a couple of feet and
>> suck on
>> >> > it to
>> >> > make the gas come over the pump, then reconnect the original
>> hose and
>> >> > see if
>> >> > it starts now.
>> >> > Zoltan
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "David Kao" <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
>> >> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:59 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: 87 still not starting, need fuel pump advice
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > You said your pump is new. So it is not very likely to be bad.
>> >> > > If you are not getting fuel at the injectors perhaps your pump
>> is
>> >> > > not receiving fuel to pump.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You may want to think about things at the time when the
>> problem first
>> >> > > started.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You said you put in a new seal kit for your gas tank and your
>> pump
>> >> > > was new and you crank the engine with no start. The question
>> is did
>> >> > > it
>> >> > > start before you changed anything? What prompted you to make
>> changes
>> >> > > to the seal  and the fuel pump?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The ECU, ignition module, fuel pump relay and the pump are all
>> >> > > realted.
>> >> > > You may need to swap each of them with good ones, one at a
>> time, to
>> >> > > see
>> >> > > which one is causing the problem.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > A You Pull kind of junkyard can be a place for treasure hunt
>> for
>> >> > > these
>> >> > > things. I have two vanagons so I do my treasure hunt between
>> two
>> >> > > vanagons.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > David.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --- Anthony Kimmons <akimmons@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Still having starting issues with me 87 GL.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I was not getting power to my fuel pump and have replaced the
>> >> > >> relays,
>> >> > >> ignition switch, and alternator because I noticed the
>> regulator was
>> >> > >> bad due to the old alternator wobbling. Just finished a job
>> >> > >> replacing
>> >> > >> fuel tank seals and new fuel filter.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Now I'm getting power to the fuel pump at least. Connected a
>> test
>> >> > >> light and it goes on when I turn the key, stays on briefly (a
>> couple
>> >> > >> of seconds) and then turns off. I understand this is normal.
>> But,
>> >> > >> there is no fuel getting to engine. Engine cranks fine, but
>> does not
>> >> > >> turn over.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I bought the fuel pump new a few years back, but my van has
>> been
>> >> > >> sitting for quite awhile.
>> >> > >> Wondering now if the pump has "frozen" up from crap or water
>> that
>> >> > >> may
>> >> > >> have been in my tank. Is it possible to test for this? Is
>> there
>> >> > >> anyway
>> >> > >> to clean out the fuel pump or make sure it turns properly?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Man! I was really hoping that it would start right up today!
>> Any
>> >> > >> other
>> >> > >> suggestions?
>> >> > >> THANKS!
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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