

| Subject: | Re: Tracing Electrical fault in Coach battery system? (lotta words) |
| From: | John Meeks |
| Date: | Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:39:20 -0500 |
Hi Don, Did you get any good advice via pmail? I've got almost the same setup and symptoms. If my van sits for one day, the coach battery is really low. I have found that if I disconnect the negative terminal of the aux, leaving the battery ungrounded, I can read voltage between the pos terminal and chassis ground. This could only be if a grounded appliance is drawin that current. You have the advantage with your terminal block as you can pull fuses one at a time till you get close to 0 volts between the + terminal of the coach battery and the chassis with the battery ground disconnected. My setup has a multiple spade terminal with fused wires going off in all directions. I run the interior lights, stereo, a small subwoofer and a mobile ham radio off the coach battery. I really need to sort this out. What did your re-test show with your stereo fuse pulled? Anyway, give the above a try. I'd be interested to know what you find. Good Luck, -- John Meeks '91 Multivan, '85 GL bits Northern Michigan KC8ZFN Vanagon Rescue Squad http://www.vanagonauts.com/Vanagon_Rescue_Squad74.htm On 11/4/07, Don Hanson <dhanson@gorge.net> wrote: > I am an electrical dunce. > > Can someone give me some instruction on how to trace down a fault with my > aux. battery that's causing it to go down in about 24 hours? I have a > simple Radio Shack multimeter with scales for DCV, Ohm, DCA and ACV. My > batteries are <2mos old and have never been run totally flat, but close on > the coach battery just recently. > > My van was sitting undriven for 2 days and I noticed as I passed my stereo > was 'beeping' at me, signifying low power. Took my meter (that I am just > learning) and tested the Aux. Batt. (which powers the stereo independent of > the ignition switch) and got 11.4 volts. Tested the vehicle engine batt and > got 12.94v. Started the van and the main battery read 13.9v, running. Went > to the coach battery, 13.8v. So it is charging (new alternator also) > Checked the function of the solenoid I am using..a canister type...that is > working also.. > > So, I put my battery charger onto the aux battery and left it overnight at > 2amp setting..Tested in the am at 12.7 volts..the aux battery was 'isolated' > for that reading. Drive the van about an hour and still have a good reading > at the aux battery. Park it and re-test that aux battery in the > evening...about 12.3 volts in just 4 hours of sitting..The vehicle battery > was at about 12.8. Re-started and again got good charging readings at both > batteries.. > > So, something is drawing some juice and making that coach battery go flat, > but I don't know how to run down that short or fault or whatever you call > it. I have the following set-up: > The aux battery is fed by a big solid wire going directly to a canister > type solenoid under the driver seat and then (solenoid "out" terminal) to > the aux. battery terminal. That solenoid takes it's switching power from > the ignition switch from a lead that is hot only when the vehicle ignition > is on. Starting the vehicle causes the solenoid to de-power when the > starter is cranking, then switch back on . I also have a second toggle > switch in that solenoid 'control' circuit so that if my coach, or Aux batt. > should be dead flat, I can send power only to the main vehicle battery, not > both. > > From the coach battery (under the driver seat) I have a big wire going to > a fuse block in the under-sink cabinet. That fuse block gives power to all > my electrical systems other than the normal vehicle operating systems. > (water pump, fridge, auxiliary interior lights, stereo, power outlets for > 12v) > Each in-use terminal is fused. No fuses are blowing. > > So, how do I find out which circuit is 'leaking electrons' and causing > that battery to drain? I should be able to use this millimeter to trace > where the power is escaping, right? Right now, I am thinking it may be the > stereo, which has a quite bright 'face' light that remains on (a small wire > is always 'hot' to retain the settings and run the clock). There is a > second wire for the main power..I have both these wires connected to the > same 20amp power terminal, always hot, powered from the coach battery. > ..Last night, I removed that stereo fuse and re-connected the 2 amp trickle > charger to the aux battery. Right now, after removing the charger about 45 > mins ago, I have a reading of 12.8 v on the aux battery after 10hrs at 2 > amps. I plan on re-testing in a few hours, and if I get 12.8v again, I > probably found the circuit with the "leak" right? > > It seems as if the stereo may be 'leaking juice'. How do I find that for > sure? I have tried (now, don't laugh, I said I was an electrical dunce..) > taking a reading from the lead > fuse block to the stereo...but it gives me > 'battery voltage"...Should I put my tester on the stereo chassis and to > ground to see how much is moving through, or what? > Also, there may be some operator error on the stereo, because I have no > manual and have relied on the "infinite number of moneys, infinite > typewriters--eventually you get the Declaration of Independence" method of > re-learning how to make it work...pushing buttons till it does what I want, > and then remembering what I pushed for the next time. I have tried > everything to get the light to go off on the dial/faceplate of the > stereo..(A Sony MD/am/fm receiver) but it always stays lit up, unless you > "release" that face using a button supplied, and put it in the glove > box...An anti-theft feature, I suppose, that 'quick-release face" It may be > that leaving the face plate on draws too much current and it was designed to > always be removed..or perhaps having the main stereo lead connected to aa > always "hot", unswitched lead won't work with this unit..I wired it that way > so I could use the stereo off the Aux batt. without having the ignition key > on..Maybe I should put another toggle switch into that larger stereo lead > wire, and leave only the small 'maintain-settings/clock' power lead > unswitched? > Sorry for the length of this.. > anybody wanna help a fellow who knows just enough about electrons to get > into trouble? > > Don Hanson >
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