Does not merit a public response, sent privately.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of VW Doka
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:42 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water

And just when did I joke about policies that end up killing millions of people?

Get your facts straight before you start accusing people.  It looks to me that you're just as bad as those you rail against.

The real joke is you...

Sorry for WOB people.  I will no longer respond to this loser on the list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Schwartz [mailto:lhs_emf@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 1:05 PM
To: 'VW Doka'; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: RE: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water

I respect skepticism, but I do not respect jokes made about policies that end up killing millions of people and I am not going to
just let something like that pass un-responded to. That is how my personal morality works.

Chill out yourself, Go back to you TV, everything is fine, there is no dark spot on your soul, there is nothing in this realm you
are responsible for. Ignorance Is Strength.

Keep the jokes coming.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of VW Doka
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 2:41 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water

Dude, chill out.  How did a joke about Yull Brown and the supposed conspiracy against him turn into a discussion about genocide?

Take a pill, a beer, or whatever you need to calm down...

Perhaps a camping trip in your Westy to solitary location for deep, meaningful meditation?  Whatever stabilizes your mood....

BTW:  Your tank of Brown's Gas is ready.

Happy Post-Frydaye,

Jeff

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Leslie H Schwartz [mailto:lhs_emf@pacbell.net]
  Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:28 PM
  To: VW Doka
  Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
  Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water

  Yep, knew it was coming, the UFOs at area 51 ... decades of disinfo campaigns have people compulsively equating any conspiracy
truth with non-sense, and making a joke of it. He He. Even when millions die over the effects of the policies. I'm laughin'!
Hundreds of countries are in the grip of these international murders who have things just the way they want it, including genocide.
Hey, but I'm up for some more jokes about it.

  ----- Original Message ----
  From: VW Doka <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
  Sent: Friday, December 7, 2007 4:10:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water

  Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of an international
  conspiracy.  You know... all the countries plotting against one poor
  intellectual.  None of them daring break the agreement regardless of how it
  might help their plight.  Perfectly plausible.

  Of course, it would be much simpler if the government would just release the
  technology they acquired from all those crashed UFOs stored at Area 51...

  Happy Frydaye,

  Jeff

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Leslie H Schwartz [mailto:lhs_emf@pacbell.net]
    Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:42 PM
    To: VW Doka; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
    Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water

    Yes, the US is not ruled by an oiligarchy and does not start wars based on
  self inflicted false flag attacks on its own citizens, to provide public
  reasons for wars of aggression to steal the resources of other nations,
  killing millions of innocent incidentally people as "collateral damage",
  never happened.

    And Tesla, another energy pioneer, was not robbed blind or murdered by the
  same crime families who made their fortune financing the Third Reich.

    ----- Original Message ----
    From: VW Doka <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
    To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
    Sent: Friday, December 7, 2007 3:25:00 PM
    Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water

    I'm all for a good conspiracy theory, but... oh wait... I forgot it's
    friday.

    Cheers,

    Jeff

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
    Of Paul N. Oliver
    Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:58 AM
    To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
    Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water

    Dr. Yull Brown came to the US in the mid 70's because of the "oil embargo"
    with his car that ran on water. Shortly after getting in touch with
    government officials he showed and fully explained how it work only to be
    arrested and jailed. It had always been his goal to escape the USSR and
  come
    to "America" land of the free, to find it no different than the oppressive
    government he'd left behind.

    When released, he left the US intending never to return, it was in
  Australia
    that he went to next and did many great discoveries for the use of "Browns
    Gas." It was through a group of investors from US and Canada that he was
    encouraged to give America another chance. This was in the 90's and he was
    getting up in age and starting to have some health problems (cancer) when
  it
    was learned that he had developed a way to neutralize nuclear waste, that
    many business men did everything to gain this technology. But before
    anything really came of it he passed away from cancer.

    Many on the internet claim to know his secrets, some do as with our group
    many of us know much of his work but to the best of my knowledge he never
    fully disclosed how nuclear waste could be made harmless, he did tell me
    enough that given the resources I believe I figure it out.

    I have heard all the insults that how could "I" know more than the most
    brilliant minds of the world did not know! It's very simple, no matter
  what
    our government says, it never wants anyone to have the ability to
  neutralize
    nuclear waste; 1) The taxpayers of the USA pay 400 billion dollars a year
  to
    store nuclear waste, this is easy big business a real cash cow that those
    who have don't want to lose. 2) Once it is understood that nuclear waste
  can
    be made safe, countries will not fear to use nuclear weapons.

    Our company could only get China to build Browns Gas generators of which I
    sold 6 at $10,000 each. The Chinese know more uses for Browns Gas than
    anyone else in the world. This sould be cause for some concern.

    Do a search for Brown's Gas or Yull Brown, Dennis Lee, Better World
    Technology to find out more. Be ready to forget most of what you learned
  in
    physics class when it comes to using Browns Gas in cutting and welding of
    materials (makes sand into glass in seconds).

    http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html

    http://www.savefuel.ca/oxy-hydrogen/

    Remember water is only HHO and it does burn/explode quite well.
  Electrolysis
    used to break it down requires the presence of conductive particulates in
    the solution or it won't break down. The gas generator uses electrolytes
    (salts) to do this.
    Paul

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "tom ring" <taring@TARING.ORG>
    To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
    Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:15 PM
    Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water

    >I haven't commented in a year or so, but this one needs one.
    >
    > B as in B.
    >
    > S as in S.
    >
    > Very B and very S.
    >
    > As Scotty would say "I can nah change the laws of physics Captain!"
    >
    > tom
    > K0TAR
    >
    > 85 Westy - Albert
    >
    > On 5 Dec 2007 at 6:19, Paul N. Oliver wrote:
    >
    >> Do a web search for "Browns Gas" I worked with Ural Brown before he
    >> passed
    >> away in 97 or 98 and we were getting 200+mpgs on tap water.
    >>
    >> To much "Government RED tape" to every get to market. Had 'bugs" to
  still
    >> work out. Look it up can send more info for all the others  NUTS like
  me
    >> who
    >> have powered motors on water (h2o)
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "Mike Collum" <collum@VERIZON.NET>
    >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
    >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 7:08 AM
    >> Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
    >>
    >>
    >> > Hmmmm ... one would think that if salt water could be made into a
    >> > viable
    >> > fuel that the Navy would have latched onto it.
    >> >
    >> > Mike
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > John Rodgers wrote:
    >> >> With an oil crisis looming, cheap fuel would be nice. So how about
    >> >> using
    >> >> salt water for fuel.
    >> >>
    >> >> John Kanzius, a communications engineer, retired, was looking for a
    >> >> cure
    >> >> to cancer and stumbled on this. I have a video of this if anyone
  would
    >> >> care to post it on their website. It' probably not a new concept,
    >> >> except
    >> >> for me.
    >> >>
    >> >> Anyone?
    >> >>
    >> >> John Rodgers
    >> >> 88 GL Diver/.
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >
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    >>
    >
    >
    >
    > -----------------------------------------
    > Tom Ring K0TAR, ex-WA2PHW  EN34hx
    > 85 Westphalia GL Albert
    > 96 Jetta GL The Intimidator
    > taring@taring.org
    >
    > What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth?  Judging from realistic
    > simulations
    > involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we can assume it
    > will
    > be pretty bad.
    >                - Dave Barry
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