Please guys, there's no need for the name-calling either.  Let it go
peacefully.

On Dec 8, 2007 4:49 PM, Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@pacbell.net> wrote:

>  I did not bring up the topic of suppressed alternative fuels, I commented
> that this was part of a larger pattern which drew the "tin foil hat"
> characterizations, and yes that pisses me off.
>
>
>
> But your right, lets all stay ignorant and lets keep the list pure.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jake de Villiers [mailto:crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:43 PM
> *To:* Leslie Schwartz
> *Cc:* vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
>
>
>
> All of which goes to show once again why we DO NOT DISCUSS POLITICS ON
> THIS LIST.  Religion too, while we're here.
>
> Just Vanagons please, and directly related topics.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Dec 8, 2007 4:28 PM, Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Not a she, not nuts just sick and tired of the empty headed and
> irresponsible no-nothing attitudes which make these events happen
> over and over again.
>
> Go back to sleep, watch some more TV, your hopeless.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> tom ring
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:03 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
>
> Yeah, she sent me a "private" (with a copy to something called the New
> Democrats) wacked out message also complaining that I was ignoring the
> death of millions and that Tesla was screwed by unknown
> plotters, and that the Bush family, the Masons and others were behind
> everything else bad in the world.
>
> She's just nuts.  Nothing to worry about if you don't have to listen to
> her I suppose.
>
> tom
> K0TAR
>
> On 8 Dec 2007 at 16:19, Leslie Schwartz wrote:
>
> > Does not merit a public response, sent privately.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > Behalf Of VW Doka
> > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:42 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >
> > And just when did I joke about policies that end up killing millions of
> people?
> >
> > Get your facts straight before you start accusing people.  It looks to
> me that you're just as bad as those you rail against.
> >
> > The real joke is you...
> >
> > Sorry for WOB people.  I will no longer respond to this loser on the
> list.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leslie Schwartz [mailto: lhs_emf@pacbell.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 1:05 PM
> > To: 'VW Doka'; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: RE: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >
> >
> > I respect skepticism, but I do not respect jokes made about policies
> > that end up killing millions of people and I am not going to just let
> something like that pass un-responded to. That is how my
> personal morality works.
> >
> > Chill out yourself, Go back to you TV, everything is fine, there is no
> > dark spot on your soul, there is nothing in this realm you are
> responsible for. Ignorance Is Strength.
> >
> > Keep the jokes coming.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > Behalf Of VW Doka
> > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 2:41 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >
> > Dude, chill out.  How did a joke about Yull Brown and the supposed
> conspiracy against him turn into a discussion about genocide?
> >
> > Take a pill, a beer, or whatever you need to calm down...
> >
> > Perhaps a camping trip in your Westy to solitary location for deep,
> meaningful meditation?  Whatever stabilizes your mood....
> >
> > BTW:  Your tank of Brown's Gas is ready.
> >
> >
> > Happy Post-Frydaye,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Leslie H Schwartz [mailto: lhs_emf@pacbell.net]
> >   Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:28 PM
> >   To: VW Doka
> >   Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >   Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >
> >
> >   Yep, knew it was coming, the UFOs at area 51 ... decades of disinfo
> > campaigns have people compulsively equating any conspiracy truth with
> non-sense, and making a joke of it. He He. Even when
> millions die over the effects of the policies. I'm laughin'!
> > Hundreds of countries are in the grip of these international murders who
> have things just the way they want it, including
> genocide.
> > Hey, but I'm up for some more jokes about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message ----
> >   From: VW Doka <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
> >   To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >   Sent: Friday, December 7, 2007 4:10:05 PM
> >   Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >
> >   Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of an international
> >   conspiracy.  You know... all the countries plotting against one poor
> >   intellectual.  None of them daring break the agreement regardless of
> how it
> >   might help their plight.  Perfectly plausible.
> >
> >   Of course, it would be much simpler if the government would just
> release the
> >   technology they acquired from all those crashed UFOs stored at Area
> 51...
> >
> >   Happy Frydaye,
> >
> >   Jeff
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Leslie H Schwartz [mailto: lhs_emf@pacbell.net]
> >     Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:42 PM
> >     To: VW Doka; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >     Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >
> >
> >     Yes, the US is not ruled by an oiligarchy and does not start wars
> based on
> >   self inflicted false flag attacks on its own citizens, to provide
> public
> >   reasons for wars of aggression to steal the resources of other
> nations,
> >   killing millions of innocent incidentally people as "collateral
> damage",
> >   never happened.
> >
> >     And Tesla, another energy pioneer, was not robbed blind or murdered
> by the
> >   same crime families who made their fortune financing the Third Reich.
> >
> >
> >     ----- Original Message ----
> >     From: VW Doka <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
> >     To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >     Sent: Friday, December 7, 2007 3:25:00 PM
> >     Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >
> >     I'm all for a good conspiracy theory, but... oh wait... I forgot
> it's
> >     friday.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >
> >     Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com ]On
> Behalf
> >     Of Paul N. Oliver
> >     Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:58 AM
> >     To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >     Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >
> >
> >     Dr. Yull Brown came to the US in the mid 70's because of the "oil
> embargo"
> >     with his car that ran on water. Shortly after getting in touch with
> >     government officials he showed and fully explained how it work only
> to be
> >     arrested and jailed. It had always been his goal to escape the USSR
> and
> >   come
> >     to "America" land of the free, to find it no different than the
> oppressive
> >     government he'd left behind.
> >
> >     When released, he left the US intending never to return, it was in
> >   Australia
> >     that he went to next and did many great discoveries for the use of
> "Browns
> >     Gas." It was through a group of investors from US and Canada that he
> was
> >     encouraged to give America another chance. This was in the 90's and
> he was
> >     getting up in age and starting to have some health problems (cancer)
> when
> >   it
> >     was learned that he had developed a way to neutralize nuclear waste,
> that
> >     many business men did everything to gain this technology. But before
> >     anything really came of it he passed away from cancer.
> >
> >     Many on the internet claim to know his secrets, some do as with our
> group
> >     many of us know much of his work but to the best of my knowledge he
> never
> >     fully disclosed how nuclear waste could be made harmless, he did
> tell me
> >     enough that given the resources I believe I figure it out.
> >
> >     I have heard all the insults that how could "I" know more than the
> most
> >     brilliant minds of the world did not know! It's very simple, no
> matter
> >   what
> >     our government says, it never wants anyone to have the ability to
> >   neutralize
> >     nuclear waste; 1) The taxpayers of the USA pay 400 billion dollars a
> year
> >   to
> >     store nuclear waste, this is easy big business a real cash cow that
> those
> >     who have don't want to lose. 2) Once it is understood that nuclear
> waste
> >   can
> >     be made safe, countries will not fear to use nuclear weapons.
> >
> >     Our company could only get China to build Browns Gas generators of
> which I
> >     sold 6 at $10,000 each. The Chinese know more uses for Browns Gas
> than
> >     anyone else in the world. This sould be cause for some concern.
> >
> >     Do a search for Brown's Gas or Yull Brown, Dennis Lee, Better World
> >     Technology to find out more. Be ready to forget most of what you
> learned
> >   in
> >     physics class when it comes to using Browns Gas in cutting and
> welding of
> >     materials (makes sand into glass in seconds).
> >
> >     http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html
> >
> >     http://www.savefuel.ca/oxy-hydrogen/
> >
> >     Remember water is only HHO and it does burn/explode quite well.
> >   Electrolysis
> >     used to break it down requires the presence of conductive
> particulates in
> >     the solution or it won't break down. The gas generator uses
> electrolytes
> >     (salts) to do this.
> >     Paul
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: "tom ring" <taring@TARING.ORG>
> >     To: < vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >     Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:15 PM
> >     Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >
> >
> >     >I haven't commented in a year or so, but this one needs one.
> >     >
> >     > B as in B.
> >     >
> >     > S as in S.
> >     >
> >     > Very B and very S.
> >     >
> >     > As Scotty would say "I can nah change the laws of physics
> Captain!"
> >     >
> >     > tom
> >     > K0TAR
> >     >
> >     > 85 Westy - Albert
> >     >
> >     > On 5 Dec 2007 at 6:19, Paul N. Oliver wrote:
> >     >
> >     >> Do a web search for "Browns Gas" I worked with Ural Brown before
> he
> >     >> passed
> >     >> away in 97 or 98 and we were getting 200+mpgs on tap water.
> >     >>
> >     >> To much "Government RED tape" to every get to market. Had 'bugs"
> to
> >   still
> >     >> work out. Look it up can send more info for all the others  NUTS
> like
> >   me
> >     >> who
> >     >> have powered motors on water (h2o)
> >     >> ----- Original Message -----
> >     >> From: "Mike Collum" <collum@VERIZON.NET>
> >     >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >     >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 7:08 AM
> >     >> Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels - Salt Water
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> > Hmmmm ... one would think that if salt water could be made into
> a
> >     >> > viable
> >     >> > fuel that the Navy would have latched onto it.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Mike
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> > John Rodgers wrote:
> >     >> >> With an oil crisis looming, cheap fuel would be nice. So how
> about
> >     >> >> using
> >     >> >> salt water for fuel.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> John Kanzius, a communications engineer, retired, was looking
> for a
> >     >> >> cure
> >     >> >> to cancer and stumbled on this. I have a video of this if
> anyone
> >   would
> >     >> >> care to post it on their website. It' probably not a new
> concept,
> >     >> >> except
> >     >> >> for me.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> Anyone?
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> John Rodgers
> >     >> >> 88 GL Diver/.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> > --
> >     >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
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> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >>
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > -----------------------------------------
> >     > Tom Ring K0TAR, ex-WA2PHW  EN34hx
> >     > 85 Westphalia GL Albert
> >     > 96 Jetta GL The Intimidator
> >     > taring@taring.org
> >     >
> >     > What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth?  Judging from
> realistic
> >     > simulations
> >     > involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we can
> assume it
> >     > will
> >     > be pretty bad.
> >     >                - Dave Barry
> >     > -----------------------------------------
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > --
> >     > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >     > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >     > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date:
> >     > 12/6/2007 10:11 AM
> >     >
> >     >
> >
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Tom Ring K0TAR, ex-WA2PHW  EN34hx
> 85 Westphalia GL Albert
> 96 Jetta GL The Intimidator
> taring@taring.org
>
> What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth?  Judging from realistic
> simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory
> frog, we can assume it will be pretty bad.
>                - Dave Barry
> -----------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jake
> 1984 Vanagon GL
> 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
> Crescent Beach, BC
> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/
>

--
Jake
1984 Vanagon GL
1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
Crescent Beach, BC
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
http://subyjake.googlepages.com/