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Subject:Re: Overcooling Hypothesis--Long
From:Scott Daniel - Shazam
Date:Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:41:40 -0800

Yes but, descending long grades in neutral isn't very safe in terms of
vehicle stability.  There are some serious long grades in the west coast.
Like there's one here, about 7 miles long, if you cost in the top 4 miles of
it, you'd be doing 80. And it curves. And you wouldn't want to be breaking
to keep speed under control there. . And it's technically illegal to coast
in some states I think.
  And you sure wouldn't want to be in gear holding the clutch in going 60 or
so  down a big hill.  Trick it electrically I say. 
Scott 

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Kenneth Wilford
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:46 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Overcooling Hypothesis--Long

Yes the injectors are only off above 2000 rpms on deceleration.  Below
that they come back on.  I have a digitool and have observed this myself
many times.  So if you can somehow get the rpms down a bit this would
help (like having the engine at idle by depressing the clutch pedal
should work).

Ken Wilford
John 3:16
www.vanagain.com

Allan Streib wrote:
> Geza Polony <gezapolony@SBCGLOBAL.NET> writes:
>
>
>> Here's my idea. When you're coasting downhill, you're using the
>> engine as a brake. This means that above 1500 RPM, with the idle
>> switch closed, the engine isn't getting any gas, as the ECU has shut
>> the injectors down. If it isn't getting any gas, it also isn't
>> producing any heat. The engine is functioning as a brake, but there
>> isn't any combustion, and so, after a period of 10 minutes or so in
>> freezing temperatures, the coolant loses temperature, and your gauge
>> is way off the edge of the scale.
>>
>
> Makes sense.  Not only is there no combustion but you are flushing
> cold outside air through the cylinders, which has a further cooling
> effect.
>
>
>> I tested this by going downhill, engine warm, and taking my foot off
>> the gas to coast. I could see the gauge move colder before my
>> eyes. Give it a little gas, and the engine warms up. This is kind of
>> tricky from a driving standpoint, but it works.
>>
>
> Now, repeat the experiment with the clutch in, so the engine is
> idling, not being overrun.  See if it stays warmer.
>
> Allan
>
>