Ummm, on the Vanagon List?

On Dec 22, 2007 11:53 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
> By stock based I mean a real street car, as opposed to a dedicated chassis
> or funny car.
>  A regular street car, stripped some I'm sure, but nothing 'pure race' or
> 'pure drag race..
> Yeah, ET"s don't mean that much to me but 173 terminal speed in the
> quarter sure does.
> I also relate to 0 to 60 times, which can be like in the 4's for street
> stock WRX's even.
>
> Thanks for the eco tek page. I glanced at it some about ecu speeds and
> OBD-II etc. I'll study I more.
>  I'm sure you familiar with off road dedicated tunable engine management
> systems.  Sand rails run them. You could use on a vanagon if smog isn't a
> issue etc.  If there's some 'limit' or technical electronic bottleneck,
> this
> would be the first I've heard of it.  How are American guys getting up to
> 700 hp out of a turbo subaru 2.5.  Doesn't sound like there's much
> limitation to me !!
>   I know zero about pulling more out of stock subaru ecu's..  I admire
> power and technology and all that, but I build for reliability and
> fix-ability.  Like any engine conversion I ever build for a vanagon, I
> want
> it to be that you can go to any dealer, or flaps, or junkyard and get an
> "X
> for a such and such year US model subaru' or whatever.  I stay very close
> to
> stock, want everything easy to work on, easy to get parts for, and solid
> if
> not arty some.
>  Bugatti is probably my hero in automotive technical design.  Cost is no
> object, make it as elegant and robust as possible, and like mechanical
> Art.
> .............i think he built an inline 8 engine ( when cars had inline
> 8's
> ) with no head gasket, block and head in one piece.
>
> On magazines, 'scope' wasn't that could a word. Style or intent might be
> better.  You know, a regular 'car mag' .......they review hot cars.
> European
> Cars would be another.  Flashy cars, terrible writing...........i think
> European Cars had some in correct technical pictures once.....i commented
> and they said 'well, there's only two of us on staff, what do you expect'
> ...anyway....those 'car mags.'
>
>
> "My dyno would be the seat of my pants - lol. I don't need no stinkin'
> dyno
> !!  < lol ! >
>
> I've never tried to undo that SVX manifold thing.  Too busy sorting out
> more
> important things.  Where were you when I was going nuts trying to get this
> 98 Imprezza 2.2 engine to fire right off, instead of after 2 to 8 tries ?
> .
> Its' fixed now, but where were you about 10 days ago  !?
>  I'd be willing to try a stand alone system on a subaru.  I think I'd
> really enjoy it even.  But squeezing more power out of something has never
> been all that attractive to me. I like underdog cars even.  I think it's
> cheating to use massive amounts of power to go fast. I prefer to use
> cleverness and driving skill.  I like passing $ 40K SUV's in the snow in
> my
> 2WD turbo sedan Volvo that cost me about 300 bucks to acquire.  That's my
> kind of fun.
>  Nice talkin' with ya.
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Akiba [mailto:jakiba@bostig.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:23 PM
> To: Scott Daniel - Shazam
> Cc: Vanagon Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Air mass meters Go Westy
>
> On 12/22/07, Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> > Hey there jim !
> >  I believe that's a turbo diesel AHU right at the top of my site.
>
> Ah ok, sorry man.. I was seeing the svx stuff not the TD stuff.
>
> > Ah, I forgot the east coast rust factor. I think if you search you'll
> find
> > there is near endless subaru hot rodding and upgrades, in both the
> street
> > rod world, and in the aviation world.
>
> Yeah baby!  You can get huge power out of them they LOVE
> turbocharging... SWEET...
>
> >   Quite a bit actually.   A stock based WRX ran 170 something ( !! ) in
> the
> > quarter at Las Vegas within the last two years.  Stock-based car, can
> you
> > imagine that ?!
>
> "170 something" in the quarter... you mean trap speed?  What does
> "stock based" mean?
>
> >   Also, you know they famous engine company, Cosworth, that cosworth, of
> > Formula One fame.  They sell bolt on DOHC 2.5 heads that are built from
> > fresh castings, not modified stock units and these heads would be
> compatible
> > with 400 or much more hp.
>
> You mean cosworth uk ltd, the folks that designed the zetec heads?
> Yeah I know em :)
>
> >  I can't imagine where you are coming from here : " not much is known in
> the
> > aftermarket about tuning the subie ecu's(not much is relative, they know
> > quite a bit, but the info is scare, and not easily accessible)"  I
> don't'
> > know what you mean by 'accessible' maybe you're referring to the
> internal
> > mapping of ecu's which I would expect people who do that to keep fairly
> > secret, but I could put easily 50 links right here to all kinds of hop
> up
> > subaru stuff.  There's GOBS of it !
> >  Ever hear of SubieSport Magazine ???
>
> Not quite certain here of what you're talking about, here is what I'm
> talking about.
>
> http://www.ecutek.com/tuning/history/
>
>  If you know of a more complete and accessible tuning solution for the
> subes.. let us all know.
>
> > Similar in scope to Hot VW's and Dune Buggies ( which had a small pic
> and
> a
> > paragraph about my 1967 run in the very first Baja 1000 Off Road race,
> btw.
> > I ran my first car, a 56 chevy with 301 Chevy V-8 and 6 forward gears. )
>
> Baja 1000... sweet...props dude...  What do you mean is similar in scope?
>
> > ..............and SubieSport is  all about subaru's and performance.
> >   There are MANY 500 to 700 hp WRX subaru's on the street.
> > So can't imagine what you are thinking saying there isn't much
> available.
>
> Those are all standalone or piggyback setups... that isn't to say that
> you can't make power with a sube, you'll just be using.... piggyback
> or standalone to do it.  Or you'll be paying ecutek prices to work
> with the stock ecu and trying to figure it out based on what they've
> deciphered.  This is all available via google. If you want I can show
> you precisely what capabilities you don't have with the sube ecus via
> remote desktop.. or better yet when I'm there in May. The capabilities
> we have with other ecus(GM, Ford, D/C) will blow your mind if you
> think subie capabilities are good.
>
> >On the SVX intake gizmo, yes, it's not a dual path, but as you say, dual
> > resonant, perhaps.  I can only imagine it enhances low end in some small
> > degree without sacrificing high end - something like that. I shouldn't
> have
> > said 'dual path'  . It's hard getting at the stuff under the intake
> manifold
> > with it on the engine, but it would be interesting to deactivate it to
> see
> > if it makes any difference in torque curve or drivability.
>
> Yeah I bet you could see it in a dyno chart.. but what's that?  Dyno?
> What? <--sarcasm
>
> If you disconnect an svx IRIS solenoid can you feel it?
>
> Jim Akiba
>

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