Thanks for posting the links.
Mr Lutz's thoughts plus the possibilities  implied in the HCCI engine would
even indicate that the 'normal diesel' might be on the way out, for cars
anyway, in the longer term future picture.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Akiba
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:48 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Zetec diesel

Yeah maybe I could have worded that better,  full compliance =
 certification, partial compliance = compliance from the heads of
 marketing...

 for info on T2B5 see:
 http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld_t2.php

 and here's another one with a quick reminder from mr lutz as to why
 the new clean diesels aren't what people are going to expect:

 http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/07/lutz-gm-will-ha.html

 Jim Akiba

 On 2/20/08, Chris S. <mrpolak@yahoo.com> wrote:
 >
 >
 > >The low sulphur fuel as been coming into effect for both diesel and
 > >gasoline, but it isn't enough. The T2B5 emissions are the strictest on
 > >the planet, even with the low sulphur fuel you still need NOx traps,
 > >SCR, and particulate components in the exhaust.. and not ONLY do you
 > >need to be able to pass the emissions levels for testing, but you have
 > >to prove the 150K mile system durability and performance.. which is
 > >the thing that nobody has been able to do, meaning there are T2B5
 > >compliant diesels that exist, but not one is certified. The diesels in
 > >use in europe won't pass T2B5 either, they are too dirty.
 >
 > And what is the difference between compliance and certification?  Care to
 > elaborate with references quoted?
 >
 >
 > Chris S.
 >
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