Thanks Scott. All good info, but form my comfort level, I hesitate to
run a gas can from inside the van, but then I worry too much!

:^)

Thanks for confirming the pipe position. That really helps.

On P. 19.12 in Bentley, it shows the curved end of one pipe so I can
see which flexible hose goes where. For me though, it doesn't clearly
show the L/R (DS/PS) aspect of the pipes.

For sure the order you specify makes sense. I may put the tank in
before the engine, but we'll see.

Thanks,

Neil.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
<scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> I run them all the time without a stock gas tank in place.  Super easy.
>
>  I know that bushing you're talking about. I've never bothered to replace
>  one.  I haven't seen one just ruined either..........just a little loose as
>  you describe.   I would try my vw dealer first for one of those, but I
>  wouldn't even expect them to sell it anymore.
>
>  The way the pipes lay in the van...............there's nothing very obvious
>  or logical about it.
>  So it's hard for anyone to say 'yes that's right, or not.'
>  The main thing is, in the end........get the coolant going thru the rad in
>  the right direction and not have the pipes interfere with anything.
>  I would *leave the gas tank out* until after the engine is mounted and the
>  shifting is working fine, 'just in case.'
>  I don't think you'll have any kind of clearance problem with the shift
>  linage and pipes as you have a whole other kind of shift linkage from the
>  guy posting below.
>
>  And.....that pic you posted of the front end of the pipes.........that looks
>  right.
>
>  ( I just had to deal with that. I bought an 82 diesel westy with 98 Subaru
>  Impreza engine in it, and they removed the stock DV metal pipes, and ran a
>  copper pipe down one side of the van, and another copper pipe going back on
>  the other.............and ran them right through where the spare tire would
>  fit !   lol .    There was no way to put a spare down there, and the van
>  didn't even have a spare tire when I bought it........
>  see what I mean about 'hack conversions' ? ........... )
>
>  all that's important is coolant flow direction and the pipes don't interfere
>  anywhere.
>  Get the whole engine mounted, and shift linkage working ............THEN put
>  the gas tank in,
>  As a last step almost.
>  It's so easy to run off a can of gas under the back seat - just feed and
>  return, nothing mysterious about that.
>  Try to not get stuck in a corner on anything.
>  It takes a lot longer to do things 'prototyed' as you go
>  along............but that also keeps you from getting jammed in a corner -
>  like having to take the gas tank back out to adjust the pipe
>  fitting...........it takes way longer to do it this way, but the result in
>  the end is SO much better I just can't say it enough.
>  Yeah, avoid locking yourself into any permenant fitment because inevitably
>  there will be things that in retrospect you'll see could have been done
>  differently.
>  Btw...........the correct order to do something like this...........
>  Get the 'power unit' ..........engine and transaxle mounted in the van
>  first.
>  Then do things like shift linkage, clutch control, axles..........cooling
>  system is a 'add on after the engine is mounted' kind of thing.  Gas tank
>  would be the very last thing even to put in.
>  That's how you build up a race car.
>  You mount the bigger things first and add on the smaller systems after that.
>
>
>  Scott
>  www.turbovans.com
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
>  neil N
>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:25 AM
>  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
>
> Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
>
>  Thanks for the heads up.
>
>  This an air cooled '81 being changed to a Jetta 2.0 ABA. The tranny is
>  a stock air cooled. And I'm using the stock steel lines ( the ones
>  from my WBX donor were in good shape and I "saved" them)
>
>  Speaking of tranny's, it was interesting to note that with the gas
>  tank out, I noticed a bushing for the shift linkage. I can only
>  imagine it's hard to get at with the tank in. It appears to be ok with
>  little play (I'll lube it good while I'm in there) but I'm sorely
>  tempted to replace it. I bet it's not a common item. And with all due
>  respect to vendors, --- :^) --- I really don't want to wait on the
>  part to be shipped as it could hold up this project. (no tank in, van
>  won't move. gotta turn it around to work on engine!) It just bugs me
>  that I"m not replacing it. Maybe in a few years when I do the tank
>  seals etc. .... again! --- ;^)
>
>  I am still curious to know if I have the coolant lines in the right
>  position.
>
>  Anyone?
>
>  A small detail I know, but having it confirmed yah or nay, would help
>  ease my mind. No big whoop I guess......
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Neil.
>  On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM, azsun99 <azsun99@earthlink.net> wrote:
>  > Neil,
>  >  I haven't been following your project/progress too closely, so I don't
>  know what
>  >  tranny you are installing, but here is my 2 cents. On my '90 Westy with
>  MT, when I was
>  >  changing the coolant two years ago, I also installed the GoWesty pipe
>  insert kit.
>  >  Everything seemed to line up and lay correctly, but when I was done and
>  drove it,
>  >  there was some resistance to the transmission going into 4th gear. I
>  discovered that
>  >  the linkage at the rear was coming over and hitting the side of the hose
>  on the
>  >  inboard pipe. I smeared some silicone grease on the hose as a temp fix,
>  but finally
>  >  got under again and loosened all the clamps and hangers and twisted the
>  pipe so the
>  >  slight bend in the rear was away from the center line. Took all of the
>  strength I
>  >  could muster (not much :)) to twist it with the hoses still attached, but
>  it worked.
>  >  Now shifts smoothly into 4th. Just something to be aware of.
>  >  Good luck,
>  >  Jerry
>  >
>  >
>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>  >  From: "neil N" <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
>  >  To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>  >
>  > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:50 PM
>  >  Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
>  >
>  >
>  >  > Jetta 2.0
>  >  >
>  >  > Thanks.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
>  >  > <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>  >  > > The only really important thing about the pipes is that you have the
>  coolant
>  >  > >  going through the radiator the correct direction.
>  >  > >  What engine are you putting in again ?  I forgot.
>  >  > >  Scott
>  >  >
>  >  > >  Neil.
>  >
>  >
>
>
>
>  --
>  Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
>
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>
>

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